Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-05-2024, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
19,945 posts, read 9,504,933 times
Reputation: 38634

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lillie767 View Post
Most people self-identify as middle class. People don't want to say they are upper class, because that's not politically correct and clearly, unless you are very downtrodden, no one wants to say they are lower-class.

Interestingly, "working class" was usually reserved for "lower class", but apparently the Gallup organization now feels that working class is middle class. Who knew?

"Among Americans, 73% say they belong to the middle or working classes, according to an April 2022 survey from Gallup.

Additionally, 14% identify themselves as upper-middle class and 2% categorize themselves as upper class. In determining their social classes, people often don't think only about income, experts say, but about other factors like education, location and family history.

The majority of participants in a 2023 poll by the Washington Post, for instance, said that Americans need to do the following to be considered part of the middle class:

Own a home.
Have a secure job.
Be able to save money.
Have the time and money to take vacations.
Have health insurance.
Be able to afford a $1,000 emergency.
Be able to pay all your bills on time.
Have a job with paid sick leave.
Be able to retire in comfort.


https://money.usnews.com/money/perso...c-class-system
I think that the above list is one of the best definitions of middle class I have seen except for 'owning one's own home' and 'being able to retire in comfort' UNLESS one is over 30. Many people under 30 rent while saving for a home or making sure that they will be in one place for at least a few years before moving again, and most people under 30 don't yet know whether they will be able to retire in comfort.

Now to answer the question, I am comfortably retired, but if I had been born in 1963 or later, due to higher prices in almost everything that would not have been met by corresponding increases in our paychecks, I am quite sure that we would be struggling now and worse off than we were five years ago if we still needed to work. It is all well and good to talk about increased net worth due to increase home equity, but unless one is planning on selling and downsizing, increased equity is just a number on paper (or on a computer spreadsheet).

Also, as a side note, we would not have been able to afford our retirement home that we bought four years ago if we had waited to retire even two years.

Last edited by katharsis; 05-05-2024 at 08:38 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-05-2024, 08:23 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
27,711 posts, read 28,825,117 times
Reputation: 25331
Quote:
Originally Posted by moguldreamer View Post
I thought I'd start a thread regarding the lives of Middle Class Americans - have they improved?
There is a significant difference between lower middle class Americans and upper middle class Americans.

Together, they comprise the majority of society.

But I would say one group is doing pretty well economically while the other is struggling or falling behind.

For some reason, this is not that widely acknowledged or talked about.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-05-2024, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Arizona
8,295 posts, read 8,706,883 times
Reputation: 27771
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
There is a significant difference between lower middle class Americans and upper middle class Americans.

Together, they comprise the majority of society.

But I would say one group is doing pretty well economically while the other is struggling or falling behind.

For some reason, this is not that widely acknowledged or talked about.
There is a significant difference in people who are middle class and people who think they are middle class. I don't think we will ever get an accurate definition that everyone will agree with.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-05-2024, 03:55 PM
 
Location: A blue island in the Piedmont
34,161 posts, read 83,253,468 times
Reputation: 43757
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
For some reason, this is not that widely acknowledged or talked about.
Not by many of those doing well. Most prefer mimicing the Ostrich
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-05-2024, 07:21 PM
Status: "Content" (set 26 days ago)
 
9,022 posts, read 13,883,643 times
Reputation: 9697
How does "values" fit into middle class?

I thought class encompasses more than wages,savings,etc
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-05-2024, 07:38 PM
 
Location: A blue island in the Piedmont
34,161 posts, read 83,253,468 times
Reputation: 43757
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
How does "values" fit into middle class?
Paying your own way through life: Ford or Ferrari it's from your own sweat.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-05-2024, 07:58 PM
Status: "Content" (set 26 days ago)
 
9,022 posts, read 13,883,643 times
Reputation: 9697
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
Paying your own way through life: Ford or Ferrari it's from your own sweat.
If someone does not have a college education,can they be middle class?

What about someone(usually a CEO) that scammed their way to upper middle class?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-05-2024, 08:14 PM
 
1,914 posts, read 876,564 times
Reputation: 2646
i dont have a college education, Im classified as working poore. people at fast food make more than me
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-05-2024, 08:14 PM
 
Location: A blue island in the Piedmont
34,161 posts, read 83,253,468 times
Reputation: 43757
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
If someone does not have a college education, can they be middle class?
Of course. Was a time when 90% were such. LOTS of good solid jobs without a HS diploma.
Middle class is about having a REAL job that pays enough and security that it will still be there 20 or 30 years on.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-06-2024, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Chicago
3,957 posts, read 6,877,919 times
Reputation: 5600
Quote:
Originally Posted by moguldreamer View Post
Ouch. How many children is that?
2 Kids. 65 per day for each.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top