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Old 04-02-2009, 09:09 PM
 
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My questions is, why sell "pet quality" dogs with obvious issues such as looks, health, temperment, etc and not cull them from birth?
um, how does one determine temperament of a newborn puppy?
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Old 04-03-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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um, how does one determine temperament of a newborn puppy?
I've always wondered that too. How much can you really tell when a pup is just born or a few weeks old?
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Manhattan, Ks
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You can't. I read a study a while back that concluded that the temperment tests you can do when they're about 8-12 weeks old don't correlate very well with their behavior as adults.
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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You can't. I read a study a while back that concluded that the temperment tests you can do when they're about 8-12 weeks old don't correlate very well with their behavior as adults.
Hmmm....same kind of stuff is true about humans too.
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:40 PM
 
Location: California
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um, how does one determine temperament of a newborn puppy?
You can't. One can't even determine the color, ears, or coat until starting at 6 weeks or so. Personalities start coming out slowly...you notice who may be the most outgoing, the loud mouth of the group, the shy one, the timid one and so on. A good breeder will work with what one shows. For instance, shy and timid will get extra handling, big mouth (lol) learns the word "no" really early on and fast, etc. Thankfully, I never knew one single breeder who culled.
People playing God!
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Old 04-07-2009, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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That's about all one can tell for temperament in an 8 week old pup...who is timid, who is dominant, who is alert. Things like inherent curiosity,even eagerness to point (for a bird dog) will be evident then. Other things like friendliness, calmness, fearlessness , one can only hope such traits get passed on through genes of the parents, but mostly it's upbringing.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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I don't agree with it. Those dogs that didn't meet his "standards" can make perfect pets for someone else. And if this breeder you speak of has culled entire litters, than maybe he shouldn't be breeding in the first place since it seems so many of his pups don't meet the breed standards. Breeding should not be trial and error.

If you are not confident in your ability to produce dogs that conform to the breed standard almost all of the time, then you should leave it to someone that can and not have poor puppies suffer the consequences.
Actually, I think this guy feels that the breed standard isn't stringent enough.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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Actually, I would agree with him in regards to GSDs. In America there is zero requirement that breeding stock pass any working tests or genetic tests or other health tests. Based on the whim of judges, dogs that could never work are elevated to Championship status.

That said, he can put a limited registration or sell his puppies with no registration that are not suitable.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:12 AM
 
Location: California
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That said, he can put a limited registration or sell his puppies with no registration that are not suitable.
Which is what most breeders do.
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