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I am for e-collars as a training tool.
We got one several years ago for my sons pitbull that works with a transmitter for containment of a pet on property.
We even tried it out on our selves first to see if it was too cruel.
You should have seen the look on my wife’s face when she came in and saw my older brother and I shocking each other.
She was like what the hell are you guys doing?
Whiskey may or may not have been involved .
Anyway they do work great and we can set the distance that the dog can wander away to.
It will beep then vibrate at first.
It will then give a mild shock that will increase to a not mild shock as the set perimeter is violated.
You can even pre-set the power of the shock being administered.
It’s only mean or cruel if you are.
Fences are not secure enough to keep a 120lb goofy ass pit secure if it wants to leave.
It is a very friendly dog, too friendly even but I ain’t having a pit under my charge that wanders off.
No way in hell will that happen here.
My cattle dogs and other dogs never needed this because they were raised here.
Our current property is several acres of unfenced forest and beach.
Our dogs stay put but that goofy old pit still needs his collar.
Go figure .
It wouldn’t work on a cattle dog due to their tenaciousness and coat anyways.
I am always “shocked” that people are so dead set against these tools.
It astounds me that after everything I've written, you still have that question.
You haven't written anything beyond your own anecdotal experience. If you think that every pet dog will have recall just because an owner has built a strong relationship with the dog then I have a bridge to sell you.
You haven't written anything beyond your own anecdotal experience. If you think that every pet dog will have recall just because an owner has built a strong relationship with the dog then I have a bridge to sell you.
If you believe that you can't train a 'hard' dog without an ecollar, then you've bought into the commercialism of bs.
If you believe that you can't train a 'hard' dog without an ecollar, then you've bought into the commercialism of bs.
I don't believe that. You're the only one who has decided to make arbitrary, binary decisions about whether something should be used or shouldn't be used based on the role of the dog. Which, like I said, makes no sense to me.
Both my dogs wear E-collars when we check fences on this farm.
The Rottweiler needs hers turned on because she has a penchant for eating horse manure. After enough “leave its”, she pretends not to hear me until the next “leave it” is synonymous with a mild zap. She is six years old and very well trained but she will not leave the horse manure alone.
The Catahoula/Pit Bull is more stubborn. It was a Catahoula breeder who suggested putting an e-collar on him. He is coming 9 years this spring. He wears the e-collar every time we check fences. The kicker is that I have not turned that collar on for six years, lollol. He is the one who would chase after the deer but “leave it” in a strong voice and he will stop in a blink.
In all my years of having dogs of all breeds, I never used e-collars. I am no stranger to training. The Rottweiler was rehomed to me and came with her e-collar.
The Catahoula/Pit Bull was a shelter dog, found roaming the streets as a yearling. He is still a very active dog and needs room to run every day. I hated buying an e-collar for him but as has already been alluded to, they are great training tools in the right hands.
I once rescued a dog who has been so abused with an e-collar, he would literally collapse on the ground if I tried to put a regular collar on him so he never wore a collar. It wasn’t the collar that did the damage, it was the human hands managing the collar.
It’s the same with certain training tools in the horse world - it’s the humans causing the abuse, not necessarily the equipment.
An E collar is a VERY effective tool....when properly used. If does NOT hurt the dog.....when properly used! I've been around working dogs for 50 plus years, dogs that are aggressive and have extreme drives. In my opinion, a "positive only" approach will only take you so far!
Over the years I've heard so many incorrect notions on prong collars, E collars and other training methods. In some countries these methods are illegal. For example, how many people have actually studied how a prong collar works? Not many! I can tell you a dog pulling on a flat collar is far more likely to damage their trachea! Same with an E collar. Generally very, very small amounts of stimulus is used. I set mine up so when stimulated the dogs eyes blink.. that is all it generally takes! And yes, I have tried it on myself.
So....let's take a common situation and compare results. Let's say, you own a herding dog and like herding dogs like to do...they chase cars. How are you, being in favor of a "positive only" approach, going to resolve this issue IMMEDIATELY? You can do it over time but.....do you really want to put your dog at risk for a few months? Now, with an E collar, this can easily be resolved in a single session (I've done it). Now for those of you not familiar with "proper" e collar training (or against it) I would suggest you read "The Art of Training Your Dog." The Monks of New Skete and Marc Goldberg. It will change your perspective!
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