Will Columbus become largest Ohio metro? (Cleveland, Cincinnati: quality of life, living in, centers)

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

How is this unique to Columbus? How would Columbus have controlled the changing demand? Hundreds of cities lost their streetcars when cars became dominant. This is a silly, dishonest argument on your part, but par for the course.

It's unique to Columbus in that they didn't build anything in their place.

Pittsburgh began construction on the T light rail when the city had lost half its population in 35 years. I'm pretty sure every city that now has a modern metro rail had streetcars at the same time Columbus did.

Columbus isn't "new"....it's old. They were more populated than Los Angeles coming into the 20th century. They had the same chances, at the same time as everyone else, to do all this stuff.

They didn't.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by tlb919

Cool. Thanks for the wiki page of information and adding no value to the conversation.

Classic Columbus think denying reality.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by midwest1

As a native Middletonian....Cin-Day or whatever they wanna call it is real. When its official with the census is meaningless.

Cities are organic...there is a sort of gravity that pulls smaller cities gradually into the orbit of growing larger cities....As such...Cin-Day is truly becoming on organic mass....a real unified metro.


So no....I dont see Columbus passing CinDay anytime soon.

https://youtu.be/SzzZQHiXq84

Since we can make up unofficial MSAs and stuff, Columbus now includes 11 million people. I call it Coleveinedopolisburg. Beat that!

Originally Posted by WRnative

Columbus has by far the greatest geographical area of the three metro areas with 4,797 square miles; Cincinnati has 4,165 square miles, but spills into other states; Greater Cleveland has only 1,999 square miles.

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oh-metro-area/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...in-metro-area/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oh-metro-area/

E.g., Greater Columbus includes all adjacent counties and some second ring counties, 10 in all.

With Lake Erie to the north, Greater Cleveland has only five counties, including Lake County, the smallest in Ohio in area. It doesn't even include all adjacent counties to Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), as Summit County, with Akron as its county seat, is part of the Akron MSA. Northern Summit County includes several communities where persons commute to both Cleveland and other workplaces in Cleveland's Cuyahoga County, as well as to Akron. E.g., Hudson is only a 35-minute commute, 29 miles, from downtown Cleveland, and a much shorter commute to the I-271 corporate corridor in Cuyahoga County.

Downtown Akron itself is only a 43-minute, 40-mile commute to downtown Cleveland. New Lexington in the Columbus MSA is a one hour commute, 55 miles from downtown Columbus.

If just the adjacent Summit County was part of Greater Cleveland, Greater Cleveland would still have a population half a million greater than the Columbus MSA. The Cleveland MSA's square miles would increase by 419 to 2,418, still almost half the physical area of the Columbus MSA.

Marion County's Cambridge, OH, is in the Columbus MSA.

Comparing MSAs in Ohio is meaningless as it's comparing apples and oranges.

So you're saying Columbus has a greater pull on areas an hour away than Cleveland does?

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

It's unique to Columbus in that they didn't build anything in their place.

Pittsburgh began construction on the T light rail when the city had lost half its population in 35 years. I'm pretty sure every city that now has a modern metro rail had streetcars at the same time Columbus did.

Columbus isn't "new"....it's old. They were more populated than Los Angeles coming into the 20th century. They had the same chances, at the same time as everyone else, to do all this stuff.

They didn't.

Seems like it's doing Pittsburgh wonders. Oh wait... Beyond its educated workforce, it's an otherwise stagnant or declining area with one of the few cities in the entire nation that has a negative natural growth rate- meaning more people are dying than being born. I wouldn't hold them up as all that successful. They've failed spectacularly at being attractive. And let's be honest, most cities with transit have been seeing ridership declines for years because they treat it either as a tourist gimmick or a hopeful tool to create development demand rather than thinking about how people will use it in terms of commuting. Whenever Columbus does decide to get serious on transit, I don't want it to follow the path most cities went down.

Originally Posted by WRnative

Classic Columbus think denying reality.

Like the 7 people who voted that Columbus won't become the largest metro in the state? Because that's a lot of denial.

[I_am_Father_McKenzie]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

So you're saying Columbus has a greater pull on areas an hour away than Cleveland does?

No he's saying the Census Bureau has specific rules just for Cleveland that keep it a smaller metro. But yes, it's Columbus who denies reality

[I_am_Father_McKenzie]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Columbus has by far the greatest geographical area of the three metro areas with 4,797 square miles; Cincinnati has 4,165 square miles, but spills into other states; Greater Cleveland has only 1,999 square miles.

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oh-metro-area/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...in-metro-area/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oh-metro-area/

E.g., Greater Columbus includes all adjacent counties and some second ring counties, 10 in all.

With Lake Erie to the north, Greater Cleveland has only five counties, including Lake County, the smallest in Ohio in area. It doesn't even include all adjacent counties to Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), as Summit County, with Akron as its county seat, is part of the Akron MSA. Northern Summit County includes several communities where persons commute to both Cleveland and other workplaces in Cleveland's Cuyahoga County, as well as to Akron. E.g., Hudson is only a 35-minute commute, 29 miles, from downtown Cleveland, and a much shorter commute to the I-271 corporate corridor in Cuyahoga County.

Downtown Akron itself is only a 43-minute, 40-mile commute to downtown Cleveland. New Lexington in the Columbus MSA is a one hour commute, 55 miles from downtown Columbus.

If just the adjacent Summit County was part of Greater Cleveland, Greater Cleveland would still have a population half a million greater than the Columbus MSA. The Cleveland MSA's square miles would increase by 419 to 2,418, still almost half the physical area of the Columbus MSA.

Marion County's Cambridge, OH, is in the Columbus MSA.

Comparing MSAs in Ohio is meaningless as it's comparing apples and oranges.

Because Akron has its own center of gravity unlike Marion County. The Census Bureau doesn't have separate rules for separate metros. Why do you all always bring this up? Yes, the Columbus MSA is large in area, but Cleveland is the real city with 3 million in what "should" be their MSA according to you. OK. So you want to go by CSA is what you're saying. Cleveland CSA is 8,500 square miles vs Columbus' 3,170.

[tlb919]

Originally Posted by I_am_Father_McKenzie

Because Akron has its own center of gravity unlike Marion County. The Census Bureau doesn't have separate rules for separate metros. Why do you all always bring this up? Yes, the Columbus MSA is large in area, but Cleveland is the real city with 3 million in what "should" be their MSA according to you. OK. So you want to go by CSA is what you're saying. Cleveland CSA is 8,500 square miles vs Columbus' 3,170.

How dare you bring logic to this bar fight!

[midwest1]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Since we can make up unofficial MSAs and stuff, Columbus now includes 11 million people. I call it Coleveinedopolisburg. Beat that!

Apparently you cant see the obviousness of the rapidly emerging Cincinnati-Dayton metroplex..

People seem to forget that its not like there was a giant vacuum betwern the two. Hamilton and Middletown are two legacy river cities that, along with booming West Chester, Liberty Township, Springboro, Mason, Lebanon are playing there own roles in cementing what is already a growing unified contiguous ever-increasingly interconnected urban agglomeration.

Pretty sure when the census bureau eventually puts its bureaucratic stamp on the obvious...folks like you will still ***** and moan about it for some reason.

[midwest1]

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[Natural510]

Originally Posted by midwest1

As a native Middletonian....Cin-Day or whatever they wanna call it is real. When its official with the census is meaningless.

Cities are organic...there is a sort of gravity that pulls smaller cities gradually into the orbit of growing larger cities....As such...Cin-Day is truly becoming on organic mass....a real unified metro.


So no....I dont see Columbus passing CinDay anytime soon.

https://youtu.be/SzzZQHiXq84

Dayton is not part of the Cincinnati metro no matter how hard people down there want it to be.

[midwest1]

Ugh....visit the area.....its glaringly obvious that the two are merging.


You are right though...Dayton is not part of the Cincinnati Metro Region. But it is the Northern pillar of the rapidly-emerging Cincinnati-Dayton Metroplex...even if that twists some panties.

Public transit is starting to connect the metroplex even...
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news...1bPgoPMsqXLrI/

People seem to forget that Butler County...which lies between the two...was its own Middletown-Hamilton MSA back in the day. To understand this emerging metroplex one really needs to understand the dynamics of Warren and Butler counties..both are growing and have a combined population of 600,000 or so and are intricately interconnected with both Cincy and Dayton.