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You may not get paid very much right away, after years of college. But after many more years of working your way up, one day you'll be sporting that bank-busting median salary of $38,000/year.
Yeah, you may as well start BMW shopping right now.
Many don't have the interest in math and science to be one. Then, many who do have an interest in math and science don't want to be engineers. There are even those with engineering degrees that don't want to be engineers.
I've read that many with degrees in engineering (especially in EE/CE) no longer work in those fields 25+ years later. Well over 50% are in that category. Most of those people move on to other things. Unfortunately, quite a few wind up unemployed with few prospects of future employment.
Where will you yourself wind up? The odds are not in your favor that you will remain in the field and retire as an engineer. Think about that in your continual (and boring) bashing of liberal arts graduates. Who knows? You may very well find yourself working for one down the road. At a lesser salary at that.
Not my point at all. I would expect the actual numbers to be much lower than the $38,000 that is shown. I would bet that a flawed methodology or cherry-picked data was used to get it up that high.
Not my point at all. I would expect the actual numbers to be much lower than the $38,000 that is shown. I would bet that a flawed methodology or cherry-picked data was used to get it up that high.
Got it....
Because you don't like the numbers the study must be flawed..
"Established in 1956, the National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE) connects more than 5,200 college career services professionals at nearly 2,000 colleges and universities nationwide, and more than 3,000 HR/staffing professionals focused on university relations and recruiting.
NACE is the leading source of information on the employment of the college educated, and forecasts hiring and trends in the job market; tracks starting salaries, recruiting and hiring practices, and student attitudes and outcomes; and identifies best practices and benchmarks." About the Association
Clearly a flash in the pan pseudo organization that doesn't know how to put together or interpret surveys.
Because you don't like the numbers the study must be flawed..
It's not that I just "don't like the numbers." It's that the numbers are not consistent with my 30 years of observations both in academia and in private sector employment.
I'll stand by my original statement:
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Without knowing the methodology used, the report is meaningless.
It's not that I just "don't like the numbers." It's that the numbers are not consistent with my 30 years of observations both in academia and in private sector employment.
I'll stand by my original statement:
I'll take the NACE data over anecdotal "observations" that are less than meaningless...
I'm not trying to convince you (or anyone else). I'm just explaining why don't accept their conclusions at face value.
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Originally Posted by bluedevilz
I'll take the NACE data over anecdotal "observations" that are less than meaningless...
What was provided in the NACE link is not data, but rather summary conclusions.
Since you don't seem well versed in how these things work, let me help you out.
From the linked report:
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Data for the January 2014 Salary Survey report were retrieved in November 2013, and were compiled using a proprietary methodology created by Job Search Intelligence.
"Proprietary methodology" is usually code for, "we don't like the results that we obtained using standard, recognized tests, so we made up our own tests."
I'll stick by my original statement,
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Without knowing the methodology used, the report is meaningless.
And by all means, go on believing that a GS degree is the true path to riches.
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