Lots Of People Leaving California? (San Francisco, Sacramento: apartment, renting, insurance)

[blameyourself]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Only if it's made political.



From the same article: The rise in remote work — mostly for high-income, white-collar workers — since the COVID-19 pandemic accelerated that trend, said McGhee’s colleague, demographer Hans Johnson.

“We don’t know how that’s going to play out going forward,” Johnson said. Increasingly, there “are signs that businesses are trying to lure people back to California,” including requiring in-person work and lowering salaries for employees who live in less expensive states, he said.

“Life is about trade-offs,” said Matt Pressberg, who moved with his wife from Century City to south Florida in 2021. “Despite a lot of the bad politics and legislation in Florida that I don’t agree with, the overall quality of life for me and my wife is significantly better here.”
Pressberg, 41, and his wife are both native Angelenos. He grew up in Tarzana. She grew up on the Westside. They thought they would never leave.

Then, his public relations job went fully remote during the pandemic. They traded their small condominium for a 3,000-square-foot, four-bedroom house in Boca Raton. Pressberg works from his home office in his pool house.

“It‘s easy for right-wing people to say Californians are moving because they’re unhappy with progressive politics,” said Pressberg, who voted for Newsom. “That’s the Fox News take, but it’s not the truth. There are certainly quality-of-life issues in California that can be attributed to political choices, but it’s not that simple. It’s housing and economic opportunity.”

Yep, it never ceases to amaze me how many people let themselves be brainwashed by the idiocy preached by Fox news or get caught up by the zealots on the internet.

Most people are too polite to even bring up politics in the presence of company. And to think that a majority of people move for that reason is quite frankly laughable. If money weren't an issue, I believe the majority of people would prefer to live in CA.

[M3Guy]

Originally Posted by blameyourself

Yep, it never ceases to amaze me how many people let themselves be brainwashed by the idiocy preached by Fox news or get caught up by the zealots on the internet.

Most people are too polite to even bring up politics in the presence of company. And to think that a majority of people move for that reason is quite frankly laughable. If money weren't an issue, I believe the majority of people would prefer to live in CA.

Funny because I was having this discussion recently in another thread. I was saying that I want to move from the area of the country I am in currently because of the blatant politics. And everyone in the CA forum was saying, "no, politics are much much worse here".

[blameyourself]

Originally Posted by M3Guy

Funny because I was having this discussion recently in another thread. I was saying that I want to move from the area of the country I am in currently because of the blatant politics. And everyone in the CA forum was saying, "no, politics are much much worse here".

That's great. I don't believe for a second that the majority of people move for political reasons. And most surveys I've read typically put finances and a job move as the top two (similar to the article posted by CA4Now...family and schooling are also mentioned). I would never treat comments made on an internet forum as the most credible source for information. Politics have never come up to a large extent no matter where I've lived. It's just poor etiquette and most people I know don't care for it or discuss it in public.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by blameyourself

Most people are too polite to even bring up politics in the presence of company.

This has also been my experience.

Originally Posted by blameyourself

If money weren't an issue, I believe the majority of people would prefer to live in CA.

Absolutely.

[BabyBoomers2]

Well, first, not everyone, young/old/older, can afford to buy a house. Buying a house can be a "dream come true", as long as the finances are there to support that "dream come true".

Then, there are those that simply want to get away from family. IOW, not all families get along.

And, those that don't need a really high paying job to exist. They don't care about the "politics" of an area. They don't care about weather, that being snowstorms/blizzards, hail storms, high winds, heat, hurricanes/tropical storms or whatever.

And, there are those that "say" they dislike where they are living, but bring the previous areas lifestyle with them to a new area. So. California has always been known to be fast-paced, but there are long-time locals in smaller cities that don't want that faced-paced lifestyle.

When we lived in northern Colorado, we almost constantly heard long-time locals complaining about how young people from So California were moving in and changing the area too much. Now we are hearing the same thing about here in Henderson, NV. "Henderson used to be smaller and more friendly, until .................moved in" we've heard.

[MKTwet]

The real metric will be after 10 yrs what are the budget shortfalls and deficits needed to continue running the state with the same political direction.

Eventually the people who left will have children and the population will multiple there while population will decline in states that have net loss of citizens.

Plato predicted that democracy is dangerous because we allow people of all backgrounds to vote and a lot of deplorables will vote for candidates that continue to rob money from the working class and degrade society rather than fiscally responsible decisions.

[JohnG72]

I’d argue it’s crime and safety too.

The crime levels in

[citizensadvocate]

Originally Posted by BabyBoomers2

An online article, from Las Vegas newspaper, states that southwest of Las Vegas is growing very fast. A new hotel/casino is getting ready to open next month (December) and another one also. Both hotels/casinos are described as being "very Upper-Class".

And, there happens to be some stolen vehicles in Henderson and the website members of Nextdoor are the ones reporting their vehicle was stolen. Seen another one this AM.

For anyone who doesn't think Henderson/Las Vegas is fast-paced, just try driving on freeways here. You darn near have to go 90 or get forced off. Passing on right side of freeway, where there is no lane, is very popular here. I don't do it, but it is definitely done.

But, as I've already stated, by this time next year, we won't be here. Hopefully be where we belong and a member of CD told us about. IOW, Carson City/Reno area. Winter, yes. But, we have ALL of our winter clothes.

Yes the drivers are absolutely crazy in Las Vegas everytime I went, bunch of crazy gamblers who go to Las Vegas from all over.

I be curious though as Nevada especially Las Vegas is mostly Democrat but they seem different than Democrats in California or along the West and east coasts ie Oregon, WA, the Northeast.
Nevada's politicians doesn't seem to fall for eco fads and many radical agendas like the ones I mentioned above which is becoming more globalized everyday. And weaker gun control laws. Not that they don't have their own fair share radical legislations though.

[blameyourself]

Originally Posted by JohnG72

I’d argue it’s crime and safety too.

The crime levels in

You're certainly welcome to your opinion. A simple query on "why people move" will however produce the common reasons starting with job/finances, and usually followed by being closer to family and education. Most cities have areas with crime and areas that are safer. And basic things like car break-ins can usually be handled by a secured parking garage. It's exactly how I solved the problem when I had a break in and worked free of any other crime once I started paying for parking at a secured lot (I had no incidents for over a decade after doing that). I can only speak for the San Francisco Bay Area in regards to overall crime, but it is certainly less than it's been in the past.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by BabyBoomers2

Well, first, not everyone, young/old/older, can afford to buy a house. Buying a house can be a "dream come true", as long as the finances are there to support that "dream come true".

Then, there are those that simply want to get away from family. IOW, not all families get along.

And, those that don't need a really high paying job to exist. They don't care about the "politics" of an area. They don't care about weather, that being snowstorms/blizzards, hail storms, high winds, heat, hurricanes/tropical storms or whatever.

And, there are those that "say" they dislike where they are living, but bring the previous areas lifestyle with them to a new area. So. California has always been known to be fast-paced, but there are long-time locals in smaller cities that don't want that faced-paced lifestyle.

When we lived in northern Colorado, we almost constantly heard long-time locals complaining about how young people from So California were moving in and changing the area too much. Now we are hearing the same thing about here in Henderson, NV. "Henderson used to be smaller and more friendly, until .................moved in" we've heard.

I graduated from UNC and the last time I was back there I was blown away by the growth on the foothills. It's like CA prices in a lot of areas. Boulder especially.