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Originally Posted by KO Stradivarius
There are many documented miracles that are unexplainable by science. And near death experiences. I suppose there never is 100% perfect slam dunk proof, so there is always going to be some amount of faith required to believe. That's the beauty of it, what makes it special. Maybe some things just can't be proven. Skeptics like the OP will probably never believe anything they haven't seen for themselves.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
documented how?
I searched 'documented miracles that are unexplainable by science' and was returned among choices:
Just because science cannot currently explain something does not mean it's a miracle.
I know that any doubts letalone pointing to many fakes in the past will elicit howls of bias and denial.
But just that massively dubious JHapanese Catholic image
"1990, Peter Shirayanagi, Archbishop of Tokyo and President of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of Japan told the Italian periodical 30 Giorni that "the events of Akita are no longer to be taken seriously."[Wiki]
Thing is, that video is FAR too accommodating and does not even consider the doubts or hypothetical explanations that science may put forward. The vague resemblance (hardly detailed image) of a madonna and child in the renaissance pose is one of those pareidolia visions, 500 000 funny images that look like something else are ignored. One that looks like a catholic image becomes a miracle. This is really not good material, spoonfed to those who want to believe it's real.
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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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Just because science cannot currently explain something does not mean it's a miracle.
Maybe not, however, where science lacks in an 'explanation', the only recourse is faith (is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen).
A conclusion that I have drawn, in the form of a question. If a person doesn't believe in the Biblical History (their explanation at the time of an event), as well as, they question science (today's explanation at the time of the event), what is left?
People see those that lived in the Biblical years as ones that are as dumb as a box of rocks. imo, they do so not realizing that one day, they will be them. Future social development and civilizations may see the documentation of today's findings and they'll say 'how is it they did not know'? We too may be know as the believer of 'fairy tales'. Some scientist will get only so far within the science and at some point may exclaim, 'God done it'.
My Internet search using the words 'documented miracles that are unexplainable by science' also returned: Unexplained modern day miracles
Maybe not, however, where science lacks in an 'explanation', the only recourse is faith (is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen).
A conclusion that I have drawn, in the form of a question. If a person doesn't believe in the Biblical History (their explanation at the time of an event), as well as, they question science (today's explanation at the time of the event), what is left?
People see those that lived in the Biblical years as ones that are as dumb as a box of rocks. imo, they do so not realizing that one day, they will be them. Future social development and civilizations may see the documentation of today's findings and they'll say 'how is it they did not know'? We too may be know as the believer of 'fairy tales'. Some scientist will get only so far within the science and at some point may exclaim, 'God done it'.
My Internet search using the words 'documented miracles that are unexplainable by science' also returned: Unexplained modern day miracles
1. No, the only recourse is NOT faith. Another recourse is patience...to be able to think or say, "Well, we don't know enough yet to answer the question.
2. What is left? A whole variety of religious traditions that have their own answers to life's dilemmas. Or no-religion, and one learns to deal with what one doesn't know and work around things as best one can. You need to get out more.
3. Christians who believe in the text of the bible are already known as being dumb as rocks.
4. "Some scientist will get only so far within the science and at some point may exclaim, 'God done it'". Perhaps, because frustration leads to not really thinking.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
1. No, the only recourse is NOT faith. Another recourse is patience...to be able to think or say, "Well, we don't know enough yet to answer the question.
2. What is left? A whole variety of religious traditions that have their own answers to life's dilemmas. Or no-religion, and one learns to deal with what one doesn't know and work around things as best one can. You need to get out more.
3. Christians who believe in the text of the bible are already known as being dumb as rocks.
4. "Some scientist will get only so far within the science and at some point may exclaim, 'God done it'". Perhaps, because frustration leads to not really thinking.
Are we still not believing in another person's word? We are taking it on faith, that they are telling the truth (facts) in what they know, to be true.
We have a new neighbor who seems perfectly "normal". She's a retired postmaster and friendly, smart, etc, but has a strong mainstream religious belief that really is not based on any proof other than writings in a suspect book, Moderator cut: Politics
I'm at a loss to explain people like her, and they're everywhere you go, it's not just this one person. Can someone explain this to me? How can people who appear normal have beliefs that are, in my opinion, delusional?
You don't need to explain people like her, she wouldn't be able to explain how or why you think the way you do and it is really not your business unless she is in your face telling you that you need to believe as she does.
"Normal" isn't even real. We just need to pretend like everyone fits our description of what we believe is normal. So each of us has a different list that determines what we think is "normal".
An aircraft breaks up at altitude, and everyone dies... except, on extremely rare occasions, one person lives. But who says such things are unsurvivable?
You know what would have been unexplainable? If Vesna Vulović has been uninjured. But her injuries included a fractured skull, three broken vertebrae, broken legs, broken ribs, and a fractured pelvis. She was temporarily in a coma and then paralyzed. Better yet, if everyone on that plane had survived its mid-air breakup, without a scratch. That would be inexplicable. But a tiny fraction of 1% of all people who have ever been in an airliner that disintegrated at cruising altitude have survived despite terrible injuries?
Yeah, that's not inexplicable. It's just statistics in action. One (horrifically mangled) survivor is a data point.
And that's aside from the fact that a lack of an explanation in no way leads to a deity. Before microscopes and germ theory, infectious diseases were inexplicable. Before plate tectonics were understood, earthquakes were a mystery. So the plague used to be miraculous but now its not? Quakes were miraculous but now there's not? In short, there's no reason to throw up one's hands and ascribe something to a deity just because we haven't yet figured out why it happens. And even if humanity never had figured out what caused those things, their rational causes would have still been non-miraculous.
Honestly, the fact that anyone thinks in terms of documented miracles is depressing.
Are we still not believing in another person's word? We are taking it on faith, that they are telling the truth (facts) in what they know, to be true.
You seem to be believing the christian world. That's fine for you. But doesn't do much for the majority of the world.
You seem to be confused about the difference between faith and facts.
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