[markg91359]

Originally Posted by xray731

I have many cops in my family - the numbers are as bogus as the unemployment numbers. Politicians do not want you to know how bad it is. Cops hands are tied these days and crimes are not being reported as they should be or lowered to a lesser offense. I wish people would wake up and open their eyes to what is going on.

Your post is meaningless if all you can say is "I have many cops in my family".

I might as well say "the earth is flat" and I know this because my brother is a geologist.

The statistics in the NY Times are taken from the FBI's uniform crime reports. The crime reports are based on data reported from all 50 states.

While homicides and other violent crimes are down nationally, there are individual cities where they continue to increase. Chicago and Washington, D.C. are in this category. The fact that the reports show crime increasing in some places shows their authenticity. If the numbers were falsified it would show crime going down everywhere.

Really, if I was going to respond to this I certainly would have more to say than "I have many cops in my family".

[Nemean]

The secondary source that could say crime is potentially rising is the National Crime Victimization Survey, which, if we were talking about 2022, we do have the data for. However, for last year, we'll probably have to wait until at least September. It's also not as good for looking at localized data. Generally it pretty much corelates to the FBI data, but there was a split last year. The NCVS said violent crime did rise, but was more back to about the pre-COVID normal, not crazy high levels. The main disconcerting thing I see NCVS data for last year in comparison to pre-COVID is that weapon use looks to be way higher during violent crime. While guns did increase and still do look to be ahead of other weapons, those other weapons shot up much more and are looking like they could grow more comparable to guns in rates (2019 Gun: 8.3 Knife: 5.6 Other: 4.5-though that's abnormally low, was 6.9 the year prior; 2022 Gun: 9.7 Knife: 7.6 Other: 8.1).

[johnsonkk]

Originally Posted by Tommy Joad

Actually, while MSNBC is far left, CNBC leans right. See Maria Bartiromo for example.

CNBC is left, despite your post.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnbc

[xray731]

Originally Posted by markg91359

Your post is meaningless if all you can say is "I have many cops in my family".

I might as well say "the earth is flat" and I know this because my brother is a geologist.

The statistics in the NY Times are taken from the FBI's uniform crime reports. The crime reports are based on data reported from all 50 states.

While homicides and other violent crimes are down nationally, there are individual cities where they continue to increase. Chicago and Washington, D.C. are in this category. The fact that the reports show crime increasing in some places shows their authenticity. If the numbers were falsified it would show crime going down everywhere.

Really, if I was going to respond to this I certainly would have more to say than "I have many cops in my family".

You keep giving examples of reports which aren't complete and up to date because many of these crimes have been bargained down and don't represent the true crime. Plus you still trust the FBI - even my cousin who retired from them thinks they are a joke these days. The boots on the ground are the real deal - the jokers at the top will do anything to make this administration look good. But continue to think it's all rainbows and unicorns.

Yeah - I guess real experience from experts or those that deal with it day in and day out while you sit at your computer means nothing.

[InlandWave]

Originally Posted by xray731

You keep giving examples of reports which aren't complete and up to date because many of these crimes have been bargained down and don't represent the true crime. Plus you still trust the FBI - even my cousin who retired from them thinks they are a joke these days. The boots on the ground are the real deal - the jokers at the top will do anything to make this administration look good. But continue to think it's all rainbows and unicorns.

Yeah - I guess real experience from experts or those that deal with it day in and day out while you sit at your computer means nothing.

“Trust me bro, I know a guy”

[OldBankhead]

Originally Posted by markg91359

The statistics in the NY Times are taken from the FBI's uniform crime reports. The crime reports are based on data reported from all 50 states.

Which makes this whole discussion meaningless. The FBI doesn't recommend this data be used to "rank" cities this way, but it gets the clicks and makes people feel comfortable about their choices and reinforces their hate of those other people so it's not going to stop.

The FBI UCR tracks arrests. They don’t track convictions. They don't track false arrests. They don't track overturned convictions.

So yeah, if you like rankings that can be manipulated by "Scorpion" style police units, small town chiefs and Sheriffs who keep things off the books or coordinate with the local Da and judges to target particular groups... you can make the data say whatever you want it to say after you set the parameters to villify whoever it is you are after. Regular people with jobs and clean records who just mind their business go about their lives normally.

[Tommy Joad]

Originally Posted by johnsonkk

CNBC is left, despite your post.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnbc

I read your provide link. Both you and I are wrong as Allsides rates CNBC as center.

[johnsonkk]

Originally Posted by Tommy Joad

I read your provide link. Both you and I are wrong as Allsides rates CNBC as center.

This one confirms CNBC is left wing propagandists. Certainly far from right as you said.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnbc/

Better yet, look at those “10 states”, that drive this silly thread. All 10 states are deep red. Why say this when every blue state, like New York and California are bleeding residents as they flee to Texas and Florida.

The whole article is an Opinion hack job. And there are two threads here pushing that one article. OP wins on pushing false narrative in a non politics forum.

[markg91359]

Originally Posted by xray731

You keep giving examples of reports which aren't complete and up to date because many of these crimes have been bargained down and don't represent the true crime. Plus you still trust the FBI - even my cousin who retired from them thinks they are a joke these days. The boots on the ground are the real deal - the jokers at the top will do anything to make this administration look good. But continue to think it's all rainbows and unicorns.

Yeah - I guess real experience from experts or those that deal with it day in and day out while you sit at your computer means nothing.

I don't think you even know what you are talking about. If you did, you'd know that the reports reflect crimes as reported to local police agencies. It has nothing at all to with crimes that are "bargained down" once they enter the court system. We are talking about crime at the stage when it is first reported.

Yeah, I trust the FBI. I refuse to buy into the idea that every government agency is involved in a grand conspiracy without any proof save a few statements from crackpot politicians.

A statement from a few police in one or two localities that "crime is rising" on a national basis means nothing. They aren't in a position to know unless they can evaluate national data from multiple jurisdictions all around the country.

I think you've brought up the democrats in at least three posts. Now you are talking about the "administration". Frankly, I think you are just concocting posts based on political biases you have.

[GreggT]

Originally Posted by markg91359

I think you've brought up the democrats in at least three posts. Now you are talking about the "administration". Frankly, I think you are just concocting posts based on political biases you have.

And you are not?