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Old 10-30-2020, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I doubt that the "State of Jefferson" could get by on the economic activities you mention.
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Old 10-30-2020, 05:14 PM
 
Location: WA
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Could Jefferson get by on tourism, retirees and agriculture?

How does Vermont work without heavy industry, valuable minerals, or a seaport?
Vermont has a stagnant declining economy propped up by wealthy New York and Boston expats who have property and homes there. It is also far more densely populated than "Jefferson" and has lots of small hospitals, light industry, and tourism scattered across the state in dense little small towns. But even with that the state is declining.

"Jefferson" would be much worse off because it is far more remote and less developed.

Brattleboro in southern Vermont is just 2 hours from Boston, 1.5 hours from Albany NY and 3.5 hours from New York City, for example. So within easy reach for weekend homes and such.

Burlington in northern Vermont is just 1.5 hours from Montreal.

So there are probably 30-40 million people living within 3 hours of Vermont.
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Old 11-01-2020, 01:58 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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It would be fine with me to dip the Washington Oregon border a few miles to the south. Just enough to move Portland into Washington.
No offense, but oh Hell to the no!! We already have one train wreck of a city... Seattle and that's more than enough. We do not need a second disaster of a city with non-stop rioting to add to our issues.
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Sigh. Why can't everybody just get along. Or strap up and shoot it out. Again, like we did I can't remember when. All this bellyaching back and forth is beginning to get to me. Bad enough that we have 'State's Rights'. I'm serious. It's a mess. We are a country, yes or no? But not even states are states. Americans are just too darned contrarian. It will be the death of us.
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Old 11-17-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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There is value in political diversity, a monoculture doesn't provide the opportunity to consider alternatives. I know my liberal daughter voted for a couple of conservative candidates in CA for just that reason.
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Old 11-17-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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https://www.opb.org/article/2020/11/...daho-now-what/

2 counties supported the idea.
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:34 PM
 
Location: WA
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Complete waste of time. Never going to happen.
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Eastern Washington might want to join up too.


But what do the people of Idaho think?
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Complete waste of time. Never going to happen.
OMG. You aren't kidding. It's even worse than I thought. When they said "Two counties ..." Two very big counties. Creesh, what would be left of Oregon after secession? If it wouldn't be so catastrophic, it would be worth allowing it to happen, and when they are begging to be back under an administration that isn't scorched earth, tell them to pound sand.

Reminds me of the old 'Star Trek' episode where Kirk was separated into his rational but not very ... 'manly' self, and the ... other, self. Neither side could have existed independently. The ... 'bad' Kirk would have wound up incarcerated, or worse, and the 'good' Kirk ... hmmm ... it always seemed to me as a kid that the 'good' Kirk could have done just fine without all that toxic masculinity. It's only our patriarchal society that thinks that you have to be all swagger and bluster and my way or the highway.

Covid kills badasses with impunity. When the final tallies are toted up there will be more (former) badasses in the casualty pile. The Oregonians that want to secede, see Idaho as a more badass Red State, let me do as I please, release from accountability. Until it isn't. 'Good Kirk' didn't need his Red State alter ego but I don't think Multnomah County is enough land mass to function independently in the 21st Century. So we need y'all God help us. And before you even ask, no Hell no, are we going along with being incorporated into "Greater Idaho".
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Old 11-17-2020, 06:27 PM
 
Location: WA
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This is what we are talking about. First of all, it was simply an advisory vote requesting that commissioners hold meetings to discuss the issue. And even that failed in every Eastern Oregon county except tiny Jefferson and Union counties. And the measure barely passed in those two counties. Hardly a resounding anything.

Jefferson County (population 24,192) approved the measure by 227 votes

Yes votes 5,655 51.02%
NO votes 5,428 48.98%

Union County (population 26,835) approved the measure by 682 votes.

Yes votes: 7,401 52.42%
NO votes: 6,719 47.58%

It went down to defeat in every other county in which it was on the ballot. For example, it was defeated by 8,214 votes (14 percentage points) in Douglas County

YES votes: 26,407 43.27%
NO votes: 34,621 56.73%



You can look up the vote totals for all the other counties here if you really want.

https://results.oregonvotes.gov/resu...e=LMEA&map=CTY
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