Pittsburgh MSA 2019 Population Estimates (Jacksonville: vs, rail, land)

[erieguy]

The SEC is a huuuuge deal....and OSU is huge with a wildly successful football program...and both conferences have some awesome rivalries that draw huge attention.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

Kinda like here with the Steelers. Interesting to see if people can still afford the tickets here.

The difference here is that the Steelers are known and discussed worldwide. I understand that amongst those inside the bubble of central Ohio, Buckeye football can seem like the be all end all, but outside its really just alumni and people who happened to be from there.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by erieguy

The SEC is a huuuuge deal....and OSU is huge with a wildly successful football program...and both conferences have some awesome rivalries that draw huge attention.

Its a big deal regionally.

Could you go to a business conference in London or Zurich and talk about SEC football action? I doubt you could. You probably could talk about the Steelers though.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Its a big deal regionally.

Could you go to a business conference in London or Zurich and talk about SEC football action? I doubt you could. You probably could talk about the Steelers though.

It’s a big deal nationally if you’re a college football fan.

As to the Stillers, so many people have left the city/area, and have spread out....and Dan Rooney was an ambassador to Ireland, which also draws huge attention. On top of that, the NFL dominates sports ratings/popularity...and let’s not forget that the NFL plays games in England...but put an Ohio State game in England and it will sell out easily.

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by erieguy

It’s a big deal nationally if you’re a college football fan.

As to the Stillers, so many people have left the city/area, and have spread out....and Dan Rooney was an ambassador to Ireland, which also draws huge attention. On top of that, the NFL dominates sports ratings/popularity...and let’s not forget that the NFL plays games in England...but put an Ohio State game in England and it will sell out easily.

Bingo.

[Joe_P]

First part seems more like a strike against Atlanta more than anything else. It still doesn't make collegiate sports dominating large metro areas normal.

How so?

Second part seems like trying to sweep the fact that Columbus doesn't even have an Amtrak station under the rug of "well, transit is just lacking in American cities in general."

Having a professional sports culture is nice - great even, but it's not the be all.

Many cities lack pro teams, or just have one team.

Columbus is in its own special category as a 2 million metro with nearly nothing. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, St. Louis all have substantial systems by U.S. standards.

Cincinnati? KC? Indianapolis?

Tampa is +3 million and what does it have?

Jacksonville has a little monorail in the city center only.



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[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by Joe_P

How so?




Having a professional sports culture is nice - great even, but it's not the be all.

Many cities lack pro teams, or just have one team.



Cincinnati? KC? Indianapolis?

Tampa is +3 million and what does it have?

Jacksonville has a little monorail in the city center only.



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Well, Amtrak is an intercity rail service, not a sports team.

Tampa, KC, Cincy...all at least have streetcars.

Even Indy has Amtrak with a comprehensive BRT plan, Jax has a monorail with Amtrak as well.

[Joe_P]

What does Amtrak have to do with this? It's a national service.

I mentioned the tiny Jax monorail that circles its city center only.

Street cars are novelties.

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

First part seems more like a strike against Atlanta more than anything else. It still doesn't make collegiate sports dominating large metro areas normal.

Second part seems like trying to sweep the fact that Columbus doesn't even have an Amtrak station under the rug of "well, transit is just lacking in American cities in general."

Columbus is in its own special category as a 2 million metro with nearly nothing. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, St. Louis all have substantial systems by U.S. standards. As of right now, the T is a bigger light rail system than Link in Seattle or Metrorail in Houston.

That’s a laugh. It looks like Columbus is doing much better than all the other cities you speak of, including Pittsburgh. Two counties in the middle of a rust belt inferior state to PA, as a lot of you believe or hope, somehow have the two fastest growing suburban counties in the nation with a real housing crisis. It’s interesting when thoughts and feelings get trumped by facts and figures. 893,000 residents in the city of Columbus. What is Pittsburgh maybe 300,000?

Packed transit and density is meaningless during a pandemic. Pittsburgh was a larger city when the infrastructure you speak of was built. Same with Cleveland, St. Louis and buffalo.

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[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by erieguy

The SEC is a huuuuge deal....and OSU is huge with a wildly successful football program...and both conferences have some awesome rivalries that draw huge attention.

i dont follow college football that closely - but i love the atmosphere of the SEC. if i watch any college football, it is most often an SEC team.