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Let me be clear; I am inalterably opposed to hate crimes laws. There should be laws against direct incitement, such as saying "I want you to torch (fill in the blank)" or "I want you to paint graffiti on (fill in the blank)." I think hate crimes laws are un-American and arbitrarily enforced.
Agree - as they sometimes are taken too far..
It has to be re-written?
BDS is dead. Not because of anything our government has done. Because Israel makes its money off of things that nobody is willing to boycott. Their tech sector is rivaled only by Silicon Valley. There is Israeli technology in your smart phones and computers. There is Israeli technology in lasers and weapons that countries will not stop buying. There is Israeli technology in MRI machines and pacemakers. People aren't going to boycott life saving medicines that were developed by Israel's booming pharmaceutical industry either. Israel is not 1940's India, nor is it 1980's South Africa.
Since BDS started its campaign, Israels economy has skyrocketed. Their GDP is now over $500B, and growing year after year. Boycotting some Israeli made cookies in a supermarket isn't going to make even the tiniest dent in it.
If BDS is dead then why does Israel and zionists call it anti-semitism and have demanded to stop it? Why stop free speech if it is making you prosper?
So all the Orthodox Jews in US and elsewhere are anti-semites according to you?
They are AGAINST the statehood of Israel - according to their Jewish religious beliefs
P.S. - some of your arguments regarding other countries are wrong -for example - regarding the indigenous inhabitants here or Kuril Islands-( Russia has their own Ainu population on their mainland, etc.)
I don't know if they are anti-Semitic. I am pretty sure, as a group, they (and I refer only to certain Chasidic sects) are highly counterproductive. They mooch major amounts of government aid for fraudulent "special education" and their children still wind up not learning English. They reproduce heavily, and sustain them off welfare and SNAP, and from fraudulent "educational loans" where they attend up to fifty or more years of "religious study." Since they never leave school they never have to make repayment.
My source is various people in the community.
My point in my post is that movement among peoples is frequent, inevitable and usually good. Why is it only when Jews move the "world" finds a threat? Do they want a mulligan on the Holocaust?
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Agree - as they sometimes are taken too far..
It has to be re-written?
How about repealed? There are already laws against incitement. As a proud Jew speech doesn't scare me. To quote Justice Brandeis, in his concurring opinion in Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1926) (link):
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Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, selfreliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence. Only an emergency can justify repression. Such must be the rule if authority is to be reconciled with freedom.5 Such, in my opinion, is the command of the Constitution. It is therefore always open to Americans to challenge a law abridging free speech and assembly by showing that there was no emergency justifying it.
Those words ring true, now more than ever.
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If BDS is dead then why does Israel and zionists call it anti-semitism and have demanded to stop it? Why stop free speech if it is making you prosper?
Why should Israel be subject to a barrier to trade (even if followed in the breach) that no other country is? Why are China, Myanmar, Pakistan, (and the list goes on) not subject to living under a pall?
If BDS is dead then why does Israel and zionists call it anti-semitism and have demanded to stop it? Why stop free speech if it is making you prosper?
Well, because it often IS antisemitism. Like when BDS made the map of all the Jewish owned businesses in the Boston area, like the way Germany did in the 30s and 40s.
Also, it leads to anti Jewish hate crimes and discrimination on college campuses.
Just because it doesn't harm Israel, doesn't mean that it doesn't harm Jews here.
Well, because it often IS antisemitism. Like when BDS made the map of all the Jewish owned businesses in the Boston area, like the way Germany did in the 30s and 40s.
Also, it leads to anti Jewish hate crimes and discrimination on college campuses.
Just because it doesn't harm Israel, doesn't mean that it doesn't harm Jews here.
I wonder why everyone is so interested in Delegitimizing Jews as well as Israel? What did we do to deserve this?
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Why should Israel be subject to a barrier to trade (even if followed in the breach) that no other country is? Why are China, Myanmar, Pakistan, (and the list goes on) not subject to living under a pall?
Apparently BDS is not a barrier to trade. Israel is doing economically even better tan all those other countries. So why attempt to stop free speech? Israel also never suffers sanctions for illegal expansion of the settlements. So that is plus side to trade.
Well, because it often IS antisemitism. Like when BDS made the map of all the Jewish owned businesses in the Boston area, like the way Germany did in the 30s and 40s.
Also, it leads to anti Jewish hate crimes and discrimination on college campuses.
Just because it doesn't harm Israel, doesn't mean that it doesn't harm Jews here.
Boycotts are a legitimate and non-violent form of protest, as was the Salt march, the Boston Tea party against oppressive practices, as against South African apartheid govt. Why should Israel alone be exception?
Many jews protest against the Israeli govt, and also suppprt BDS.
Boycotts are a legitimate and non-violent form of protest, as was the Salt march, the Boston Tea party against oppressive practices, as against South African apartheid govt. Why should Israel alone be exception?
Many jews protest against the Israeli govt, and also suppprt BDS.
If you are boycotting people just because they are Jewish, that is not a protest. It's just bigotry.
Imagine mapping out and boycotting black owned businesses.
If you are boycotting people just because they are Jewish, that is not a protest. It's just bigotry.
Imagine mapping out and boycotting black owned businesses.
You are equating people with corporation, and that is a false argument. Boycotting corporations that are profiting off the people is to hold the state of Israel accountable for its oppressive actions. Many jewish people support the boycott.
I cannot imagine how equating this to true ant-semitism, which exists, helps the Jewish people or diminish hatred. All it does it silence free speech and that does not create positive energy.
You are equating people with corporation, and that is a false argument. Boycotting corporations that are profiting off the people is to hold the state of Israel accountable for its oppressive actions. Many jewish people support the boycott.
I cannot imagine how equating this to true ant-semitism, which exists, helps the Jewish people or diminish hatred. All it does it silence free speech and that does not create positive energy.
I'm not equating anything. That BDS map targeted Jewish people who owned stores and restaurants as well as Jewish organizations. They didn't bother to differentiate the ones who sell Israeli products or not.
They also bring a lot of antisemitism to college campuses. They protest in front of jewish student organizations, where most of the students have likely never even been to Israel.
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