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I made it most of the way thru an MSF Instructor course before a back issue took me out, I don't recall any of those things being taught in the course nor in any of the literature.
I made it most of the way thru an MSF Instructor course before a back issue took me out, I don't recall any of those things being taught in the course nor in any of the literature.
Sorry about your back.
I have friends and family that have done the course in different states and never experienced this that’s what’s so weird about it.
I've found that many such little details to vary quite a bit from state to state in how the course is taught.
I applied for an instructor's job at one point and part of the selection process was to complete the course, where I didn't agree with some of the things they taught "for safety".
For example, they required that you always sit at an intersection with the clutch in and transmission in gear. The explanation was that you would be instantly able to move the bike to respond to an emergency situation, such as a car pulling up behind you at an excessive speed, looking like it might rear end your bike. I questioned how a bike rider could judge 99% of the vehicles pulling up behind them wouldn't stop in a timely manner ... and yes, I know of a few riders who have been rear-ended at stoplight intersections and sustained serious injuries. (One where a drunk concrete truck driver rear-ended a car that had stopped behind the motorcyclist, pushing that car into the bike ... resulting in broken hip, leg, and serious lacerations on arms/torso. How could the bike rider have anticipated such an incident and responded to it with his bike in gear?)
As one who rides older model motorcycles with clutches/throw-out bearings that cannot take that type of abuse, I was not comfortable doing so on the bike I was riding in the class. I always roll up to a stop and engage neutral in the last foot of rolling as close to the stopping point as possible so that my hand is off the clutch lever and the bike can remain stationary. That's my 50+ year habit of riding motorcycles and one verified in the numerous times I've rebuilt burned up clutches in bikes over the decades for riders who couldn't find neutral on their bikes when stopped.
So the instructors/examiners and I weren't happy with each other. They made it clear that I wasn't going to pass their course and I made it clear I wasn't going to teach riding tactics that I didn't agree with.
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Sorry about your back.
Thanks, it wasn't serious but miss a day and there was no making it up at the time.
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I have friends and family that have done the course in different states and never experienced this that’s what’s so weird about it.
It does seem weird because the training I was getting adhered to the literature, what seemed like an attempt to ensure the class was taught the same way no matter where it was being taught. If I had to guess I'd say possibly the work of a rogue instructor not adhering to the MSF methods? It might be worth your time to Email the MSF and question some of those teachings.
Thanks, it wasn't serious but miss a day and there was no making it up at the time.
It does seem weird because the training I was getting adhered to the literature, what seemed like an attempt to ensure the class was taught the same way no matter where it was being taught. If I had to guess I'd say possibly the work of a rogue instructor not adhering to the MSF methods? It might be worth your time to Email the MSF and question some of those teachings.
I’ve filed a complaint already about this and two separate issues with the instructor(it involved unwanted touching that I won’t elaborate on and bias towards certain students)
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I’ve filed a complaint already about this and two separate issues with the instructor(it involved unwanted touching that I won’t elaborate on and bias towards certain students)
It all sounds entirely outside what I was taught in the course I attended. Please update us as to what happens with your complaint.
I have taken 3 over the years, just to refresh my 55 yrs worth of riding ol'brain, in 3 different states, and none of that junque was mentioned or required or, forbidden...
I found the courses well done and worth it, even for a very experienced rider. Maybe a knucklehead instructor or their interpretation of 'how to ride'?
GL, mD
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