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Old 03-20-2023, 11:31 PM
 
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So the drug problem in the US is all the fault of Mexico? What if another country accused US made products of causing their society ills? Are they allowed to send missiles into the US as long as they only hit the makers and designers of such products?
Do underground labs in the United States manufacture drugs that are extremely harmful and run them across the border into Canada thru American cartels ?

Why the straw man argument all the time? The Fentanyl problem in the US is to a large extent the fault of Mexico and it's corrupt inept police who are in the pay of the cartels. Cut off the supply using whatever means are necessary and while it may not solve the problem completely at least goes a considerable length in doing so.

The border is a mess that needs to be cleaned up. The cartels need to be told that if caught in the US they are subject to the death penalty.

This is not an outlandish idea. Several countries such as Malaysia, Singapore, China for example have death penalties for drug runners.

If we are too indifferent to having our societies undermined and destroyed by third world gangs then we deserve to suffer the consequences
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Old 03-21-2023, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Half of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides. That can be ameliorated with adjustments to our health and end of life programs. The other half is difficult to pin down but most statisticians are in agreement that the majority of them involve disagreements among people involved in illegal enterprises. We do know that the majority of people imprisoned in the U.S. for violent crime had some kind of involvement with illegal drugs.

With the outcry to reduce gun/drug deaths it's difficult for me to believe that the United States doesn't have the wherewithal to deal with gang violence in the States if it had the will to do so.
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Old 03-21-2023, 12:45 PM
 
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Half of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides. That can be ameliorated with adjustments to our health and end of life programs. The other half is difficult to pin down but most statisticians are in agreement that the majority of them involve disagreements among people involved in illegal enterprises. We do know that the majority of people imprisoned in the U.S. for violent crime had some kind of involvement with illegal drugs.

With the outcry to reduce gun/drug deaths it's difficult for me to believe that the United States doesn't have the wherewithal to deal with gang violence in the States if it had the will to do so.
Imagine a giant sweep of the gang neighborhoods in Chicago. State Police, FBI, Chicago PD all armed with search warrants, thousands of illegal weapons and drugs seized. Great eh?

Wont happen. The ACLU, Al Sharpton, toadying politicians and liberal media would be in an uproar which would go on for months afterwards
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Old 03-21-2023, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
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I suspect the reasons neither Mexico nor the U.S. are motivated for a crackdown on gangs is that too many people in powerful positions benefit - less political and more financial.

At the lower levels it could be genuine fear. In Mexico all it takes is a phone call to the Chief of Police asking him if he'd like them to give his daughter a ride home from school today.
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Old 03-22-2023, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Thanks everyone for your replies re: the article.

I've learned a lot from your posts!
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Old 03-22-2023, 07:02 AM
 
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Mexico is probably safer than your house. Much safer. Every day, about 50 Americand die from accidents in their home. That's 50 every day, two an hour. D-I-E. Every year, 50-million medically-treated injuries in the home.

Mexico, like everywhere, 80% of all homicides are committed by a familiar associate of the victim. Seriously, folks, how many of you neer to travel with a nanny, to warn you not to go out drinking late at night with murderers"
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Old 03-22-2023, 09:29 AM
 
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You are the one coming in here with straw man arguments galore. Nothing new, this forum gets all kinds of people that want to crap on Mexico and say the same tired things and mods around here don't give a f***. Come with a real contribution about MEXICO, not your slanted political BS.
My real contribution is the drug/cartel problem. If you dont thinks it's a serious issue worth discussing then toddle off to Cancun and get yourself a nice sun tan.
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Old 03-22-2023, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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My son & his wife just returned from vacationing at a nice resort in Cancun.
Said the security there was pretty tight, but probably because the resort might be owned by a cartel. Lol
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Old 03-22-2023, 10:55 AM
 
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My real contribution is the drug/cartel problem. If you dont thinks it's a serious issue worth discussing then toddle off to Cancun and get yourself a nice sun tan.
This is the Mexico forum, we don't need more piling on about a problem that EVERYONE knows plenty about. If you want to go talk drug war and drug policies take yourself elsewhere. You are NOT contributing anything new or valuable here.
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Old 03-22-2023, 03:05 PM
 
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This is the Mexico forum, we don't need more piling on about a problem that EVERYONE knows plenty about. If you want to go talk drug war and drug policies take yourself elsewhere. You are NOT contributing anything new or valuable here.
A lot of parents believe their kids lives are valuable. This drug/cartel problem is coming from Mexico so it's relevant to this thread
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