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Old 12-25-2023, 01:36 AM
 
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Running a similar analysis on Portfolio Visualizer (https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/...1Jl4t4zvzENaqO) comparing 67% NTSX + 33% DBMF, vs. 100% VOO, shows that... VOO had 11% CAGR, vs. 8.17% for the NTSX+DBMF mix. But it's true that volatility was much lower, so that the Sharpe Ratio is actually a bit higher. So, to equal plain old VOO - you know, the one with the low fees and low turnover, which are just a silly marketing gimmick, right? - it would be necessary to leverage NTSX + DBMF.
except the goal of a risk parity portfolio is to not match 100% equities but to beat a 60/40

there is no risk parity with 100% equities , it is only stock , complete with the high draw downs and worst years

the reaper has done an amazing job at doing that and that includes higher fees then 60% voo and 40% bnd. i am just afraid of severe down days and the magnification of the drops but we have had some biggies and the reaper still performed admirably but 4 years is still only 4 years time .

don’t forget it uses a lot of really un time tested means of doing what it does

but it shows that at the end of the day portfolio construction and interaction as a whole cohesive portfolio interaction is key and beats lowest fees which are promoted as a huge factor .

in fact the effect of the day we buy or sell is a much larger factor then fees.

reminds me of the boglehead buying a car.

he pounds the dealer for the lowest price, then goes to work on the finance guy and pounds him in to submission….

a few years later mr boglehead is back trading in the car and buying a new one .

in the mean time grandma paid more for the car , paid a bit more in financing but sold the car privately for a lot more .

grandma won.

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Old 01-12-2024, 12:38 PM
 
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so far the portfolio is still pretty docile .

it is crazy how individually the holdings can be as volatile as you can get with 3x funds .

yet daily working together the moves are in a tight range .

so far up about 1.50% since i started mid december ….
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:41 PM
 
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Yeah, there's a reason they make you sign those forms before they let you trade a 3x.

Look forward to following this over time.
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:45 PM
 
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yeah me too .

i’m just scared of big dips being down so much , but we certainly had our share.

i was able to go back to jan 2020 , so almost 4 years

a 60/40 consisting of 60% voo (s&p fund )and 40% bnd ( total bond fund ) took 100k and turned it in to 126,130 , a cagr of 6.11%

the 60/40 carolina reaper took a 100k grew it to 136,260 ,a cagr of 8.22%

BUT GET THIS

WORST DOWN YEAR WAS MINUS 2.57% for the reaper with a worst draw down of 9.45%

the conventional 60/40 had a worst year of minus 16.16 % and a worst draw down of 20.15%
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:48 PM
 
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yeah me too .

i’m just scared of big dips being down so much , but we certainly had our share

I know exactly what you mean since I experienced that trying to trend trade nattie gas.
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:49 PM
 
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well we will see over time , i have intentions of letting this run long term but i dont know if i will add more then the 50k i committed at this stage.

if i do i will bring down the growth and income model to fund it . its just so unconventional and scary looking.

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Old 01-12-2024, 03:09 PM
 
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well we will see over time , i have intentions of letting this run long term but i dont know if i will add more then the 50k i committed at this stage.

if i do i will bring down the growth and income model to fund it . its just so unconventional and scary looking.

well, you do have $50k to blow on this. so, that's cool.

i really should not toss $50k at this point (but, I am not going to restate my depressing scenario from the past and where that could have been now had I maintained my previous scenario instead).

if everything gets crashy if I could get bitcoin around $4k and I can figure out how to get a tiny amount of AI Energy I might throw a tiny amount into those in my Roth plus I might just put 20ish percent into the S&P 500 (and never reallocate it) or something like that. That's all I will say about That.
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Old 01-12-2024, 03:35 PM
 
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well, you do have $50k to blow on this. so, that's cool.

i really should not toss $50k at this point (but, I am not going to restate my depressing scenario from the past and where that could have been now had I maintained my previous scenario instead).

if everything gets crashy if I could get bitcoin around $4k and I can figure out how to get a tiny amount of AI Energy I might throw a tiny amount into those in my Roth plus I might just put 20ish percent into the S&P 500 (and never reallocate it) or something like that. That's all I will say about That.
no i don’t have. 50k to blow on this .

this is an investment which shows it may be less volatile and risky then conventional portfolios..
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Old 01-12-2024, 03:38 PM
 
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no i don’t have. 50k to blow on this .

this is an investment which shows it may be less volatile and risky then conventional portfolios

Yes, I know it is an investment. I'm just saying worst case scenario and I know you do not expect that to be the worst-case scenario. That's just me and nattie gas.
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Old 01-12-2024, 03:39 PM
 
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worst case is i put a stop loss on it , lose a small amount and done
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