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I tested out of several required college classes by taking CLEP tests.
I was very poor with no parental support and saved about a semester and a half of money and time (rent, overhead) by taking those CLEP tests in the 70s.
CLEP tests are still around.
Colleges pick and choose which CLEP tests they accept for each major so each college student needs to ask their college directly. I changed my major once I was accepted because it turned out I was more interested in liberal arts than political science and French.
Because of CLEP I never had to take a math or science class, never took foreign language, never took English class.
I got my BA in a little over 2 years time, taking classes over summer.
I'm sure big colleges with low rates of acceptance may not be so generous in accepting CLEP testing.
My degree is from a Florida university and no one has ever asked to see my transcript.
Third column. If you see, there's a notation that it may the only math required for some majors.
Are we looking at the same chart? I don't see it as an exit requirement in the third column but an entry requirement. The only explicit statement on their Math104 or 106 (College Algebra) is that it does not fulfill the math requirement for any major. Can you show me where you're looking?
My point exactly. My college Algebra teacher commented that 95% of students, even ones who became teachers, would never use Algebra. And many students had to take it twice to pass.
If those students aspire to add little value to society - say, open boxes, remove bottles of ketchup & put them on a grocery store shelf, then that's probably true (although if they hoped to design the shipping boxes in which those ketchup bottles arrive, then they need math). Ditto for appearing on TikTok videos, or if they aspire to be a "social influencer".
But if they wish to participate in the modern economy, then they should pull on the grown-up pants and learn mathematics. They may not need to understand algebraic topology - but the world going forward is more technical, not less, and a solid foundation in mathematics is table stakes.
To me, Algebra would be one of the crap classes.
Seriously.
Algebra is taught in the ninth grade here... there is NO WAY it should be a college course!
College level linear algebra is a challenging course typically taken by mathematics, engineering, and physics majors.
To me, there is a simple way to cut student debt. I went to college a few years back after I retired. With 70 hours I had all my core classes done. But to get a degree, I needed 124-128 hours for a degree. Why? Like most students, I filled it with fluff classes that I would never need. What a waste of money. Imagine if they only had to borrow enough money to take 70 hours plus a few special hours for their field. It would cut thousands off the amount of loan needed.
Why are you under the impression that to become an educated person and be a better citizen you only take classes you need?
Are we looking at the same chart? I don't see it as an exit requirement in the third column but an entry requirement. The only explicit statement on their Math104 or 106 (College Algebra) is that it does not fulfill the math requirement for any major. Can you show me where you're looking?
I will say that they've heavied up on the Education courses since I was there to the detriment of individual concentrations.
I think it's saying the same thing. The Math 1110 for teachers has Math201 College Algebra as a prereq and that Math201 does not count toward math requirements. Sounds like they expect students to know Algebra when they enter college.
I think it's saying the same thing. The Math 1110 for teachers has Math201 College Algebra as a prereq and that Math201 does not count toward math requirements. Sounds like they expect students to know Algebra when they enter college.
I think they always did.
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