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and if she is going to look for blaming others, who should have stopped him,
then she can count herself in.
i know plenty of wives who actively monitor their husband's activities with an eye towards keeping them safe. whether that is monitoring what they eat and drink, or monitoring risky physical activities. she could have educated herself about the health risks involved in every aspect of his life including snorkeling.
she did not.
She had no idea there was a risk, her husband had done this numerous times without incident and had companions with him. And you want to blame the wife? There was no reason for her to stop him.
She had no idea there was a risk, her husband had done this numerous times without incident and had companions with him. And you want to blame the wife? There was no reason for her to stop him.
How about blame this on an underlying medical condition which is almost certainly the reason this happened.
I feel bad for his wife but her husband was an experienced snorkeler and was likely feeling just fine when he went out. But stuff happens suddenly sometimes. At least he died doing something that he loved.
She had no idea there was a risk, her husband had done this numerous times without incident and had companions with him. And you want to blame the wife? There was no reason for her to stop him.
There is no reason for her to blame much less sue the state of Hawaii or any resort.
Grown ups take responsibility for their health, and for the safety in any activity they choose to engage in. And yes many wives take an active responsibility for the health of their husbands and other loved ones.
and if accidents happen, then that is part of the risk of doing daily life, and of growing older.
it is not reason to blame or sue a state or vacation area. that is either dire grief, or money grubbing, or both.
"Visitors account for about 90% of Hawaii snorkeling deaths. On average, every week, one Hawaii visitor dies from such a death."
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How about blame this on an underlying medical condition which is almost certainly the reason this happened.
I feel bad for his wife but her husband was an experienced snorkeler and was likely feeling just fine when he went out. But stuff happens suddenly sometimes. At least he died doing something that he loved.
You seem to be certain that it was almost certain that his other physical ailments cause this death. What underlying conditions are you referring to? Sorry if I missed it but is there evidence that he even had any underlying medical condition? Do you believe fat people should not snorkel or even swim?
There is no reason for her to blame much less sue the state of Hawaii or any resort.
Grown ups take responsibility for their health, and for the safety in any activity they choose to engage in. And yes many wives take an active responsibility for the health of their husbands and other loved ones.
and if accidents happen, then that is part of the risk of doing daily life, and of growing older.
it is not reason to blame or sue a state or vacation area. that is either dire grief, or money grubbing, or both.
"Visitors account for about 90% of Hawaii snorkeling deaths. On average, every week, one Hawaii visitor dies from such a death."
The question begs to be asked: why are so many more visitors dying from this than local residents?
I think the flight could be a contributing factor
As for the wife I was responding to the poster
who wanted to put blame on her for this death. .Again I don't know what they expect her to do. Her husband had done this many times before and had companion swimming with him.
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You seem to be certain that it was almost certain that his other physical ailments cause this death. What underlying conditions are you referring to? Sorry if I missed it but is there evidence that he even had any underlying medical condition? Do you believe fat people should not snorkel or even swim?
if someone ignores risk factors, then yes it can lead to something like this happening. ignoring risk factors is not acting responsibly. he was in the highest risk group there is for snorkeling deaths which is males median age 65. plus he's overweight, plus he drinks alcohol which compromises cardiac and lung function, plus anyone over 60 their heart and lungs have decreased capacity. plus possibility of family history or his own underlying health conditions of heart, lungs, or asthma.
"cause of death" does not exist in isolation. it is the result of all the things that led up to it. The resort, the state of Hawaii, and the tourism bureau (the 3 entities the wife is suing) are not responsible for his safety, health, and well-being.
There is no reason for her to blame much less sue the state of Hawaii or any resort.
Grown ups take responsibility for their health, and for the safety in any activity they choose to engage in. And yes many wives take an active responsibility for the health of their husbands and other loved ones.
and if accidents happen, then that is part of the risk of doing daily life, and of growing older.
it is not reason to blame or sue a state or vacation area. that is either dire grief, or money grubbing, or both.
"Visitors account for about 90% of Hawaii snorkeling deaths. On average, every week, one Hawaii visitor dies from such a death."
The question begs to be asked why are so many more visitors dying from this than local residents question mark I think the flight could be a contributing factor.
As for the wife again I don't know what you you expect her to do. Her husband had done this many times before and had companion swimming with him.
The question begs to be asked why are so many more visitors dying from this than local residents question mark I think the flight could be a contributing factor.
As for the wife again I don't know what you you expect her to do. Her husband had done this many times before and had companion swimming with him.
Because the local residents who snorkel are in better shape than a good many of the tourists are?
if someone ignores risk factors, then yes it can lead to something like this happening. ignoring risk factors is not acting responsibly. he was in the highest risk group there is for snorkeling deaths which is males median age 65. plus he's overweight, plus he drinks alcohol which compromises cardiac and lung function, plus anyone over 60 their heart and lungs have decreased capacity. plus possibility of family history or his own underlying health conditions of heart, lungs, or asthma.
"cause of death" does not exist in isolation. it is the result of all the things that led up to it. The resort, the state of Hawaii, and the tourism bureau (the 3 entities the wife is suing) are not responsible for his safety, health, and well-being.
So your position is fat seniors should never go snorkeling. I respectfully disagree. You seem convinced his age and weight was the factor and totally dismissing the possibility that the airline flight could have been a factor even though we clearly have evidence of that being a very real possibility. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that he had a health condition other than age and weight?
So your position is fat seniors should never go snorkeling. I respectfully disagree. You seem convinced his age and weight was the factor and totally dismissing the possibility that the airline flight could have been a factor even though we clearly have evidence of that being a very real possibility. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that he had a health condition other than age and weight?
we'll find out as the lawsuit progresses.
Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the United States.
Age, however, is the most dominant risk factor for heart disease. Over 80 percent of deaths from coronary heart disease are among people aged 65 and older.
The risk factors for heart disease are well-known: high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, sedentary lifestyle, cigarette smoking, unhealthy diet, alcohol abuse, genetics, and more.
i've worked in health care for decades and it is likely many of those risk factors apply to him. it will come out in the lawsuit. also it will come out when was the last time he went to the doctor, and what discussions did he have with his health care provider regarding the activities he engaged in. what was his alcohol consumption. does he smoke, how many years did he smoke if he has stopped, what is the family history for asthma, heart disease, lung problems in his family.
people who are dependent on alcohol are more likely to use tobacco, and are heavier tobacco users than people who abstain from alcohol. 83% of alcoholics are smokers, compared with 34% of non-alcoholics. Increase in alcohol consumption results in increase in number of cigarettes smoked.
No that is not in the article but there are health risks that correlate to the high risk category he is in. And after reading that article you still have to ask if fat senior men should go snorkeling? seriously? the answer is if they don't care about their health and safety then go for it. many people don't care about health and safety. it's a choice like everything else.
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