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Old 03-16-2023, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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The TCL's are great for what they are. I paid $299 for a 55' 4K TCL 3 years ago, and it's still going strong as the bedroom TV. Having recently done all my research, I can specifically recommend a 55" for you that I wish I had bought. I went Vizio to save a few bucks... bad move.
This is the one you want:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-c...?skuId=6501498

If you truly want Gsynch, you need to shop monitors, not TVs.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce...onitors/specs/
I recently got a Gsynch monitor and it's nice but.... I can honestly barely see any difference vs the monitor it replaced.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:09 PM
 
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Sure, if ones wants to display the main interest in their life. A prominently featured television is an obvious and inevitable eyesore in any room.
I look for ways to conceal it. Moved mine from living room to a sunroom decades ago, and looking for ways to make it "invisible".

Anyway, here is the TV size formula:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by...e-relationship

BTW:
Don't expect the same picture quality at your home.
What you see in the stores is a special crafted display that doesn't really exist. That's not life TV, just very colorful pictures or videos made for marketing purposes...

An 8K TV tops the picture quality charts.
That site you link to actually has the seating distance/size ratios correct! It helps that they based it on SMPTE standards.

I use a projector, so my "prominent" feature is either a blank wall or the image I'm watching. However, the room is set up somewhat like a screening room, and not for general conversational entertaining, so it doesn't apply to many of the concerns here.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:22 PM
 
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I use a projector, so my "prominent" feature is either a blank wall or the image I'm watching. However, the room is set up somewhat like a screening room, and not for general conversational entertaining, so it doesn't apply to many of the concerns here.
I have a fabulous projector wall, above a large entry stairwell. It's completely inaccessible for things like art hanging and is not noticeably empty. It's even in a shaded/shadeable end of the room for daytime visibility. My plan was always to get rid of the flatscreen (even concealed) and go with a high-power 4K projector, with the room unobtrusively arranged for viewing but still comfortable as a non-TV room.

However, experimentation with a very flexible (albeit lower-end) projector that had exceptional zoom and both X and Y keystone adjustments proved that there was simply no good place to put the projector; it wanted to be ceiling-hung more or less in the middle of the room, which was completely unacceptable.

I was really bummed when it didn't work out despite considerable effort. (Also bummed that Amazon decided to give me my refund in store credit, but that's another story.)
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Old 03-17-2023, 11:47 AM
 
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I have a fabulous projector wall, above a large entry stairwell. It's completely inaccessible for things like art hanging and is not noticeably empty. It's even in a shaded/shadeable end of the room for daytime visibility. My plan was always to get rid of the flatscreen (even concealed) and go with a high-power 4K projector, with the room unobtrusively arranged for viewing but still comfortable as a non-TV room.

However, experimentation with a very flexible (albeit lower-end) projector that had exceptional zoom and both X and Y keystone adjustments proved that there was simply no good place to put the projector; it wanted to be ceiling-hung more or less in the middle of the room, which was completely unacceptable.

I was really bummed when it didn't work out despite considerable effort. (Also bummed that Amazon decided to give me my refund in store credit, but that's another story.)
It can be a bear trying to find the wall space for the screen AND a place for the projector. I understand that pain, and why many people opt for a flatscreen TV package. Movies and showing them WAS my life for many years, and I got spoiled by viewing them in a few theatres that had proper sight lines. My first viewing of the original Star Wars was sitting in the sweet spot of an auditorium that had the rare PERFECT viewing angles. In a different but similar auditorium, watching the opening sequence in Flashdance, with the gate aperture pulled out entirely to show what the cinematographer saw, was amazing.

When I finally had the chance, I bought a BenQ projector with 1080P. As noted in the chart linked by Elnina, anything more is not needed, especially with older eyes. I sit about 14 feet from the screen, which takes up almost all of the wall in front of me, just leaving room for speakers below and my equipment shelving (think audio rack) to the side. Brightness is at normal theatre levels. My setup, while fairly inexpensive, is better than most theatre auditoriums, THX certified included. When I watch Lawrence of Arabia I get the full effect.

As for your problem with projector placement - I once had a similar problem. We added a small 80 seat theatre into an unused lobby of a strip mall, and there was no space high enough to place the projector. A direct shot from projector to screen would have had shadows of audience heads on the bottom of the screen, and kids could play shadow puppet during serious movies. I built the projection booth with a periscope, using a couple of front surface mirrors that shot the projection beam up four feet before leaving the booth. (Yes, I completely built and wired the commercial booth. I know movie theatres in depth.) My point is that you may be able to use mirrors to achieve what you want. Projectors these days can flip images in ways that never was possible with 35MM.
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Old 03-18-2023, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Wooster, Ohio
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It can be a bear trying to find the wall space for the screen AND a place for the projector. I understand that pain, and why many people opt for a flatscreen TV package. Movies and showing them WAS my life for many years, and I got spoiled by viewing them in a few theatres that had proper sight lines. My first viewing of the original Star Wars was sitting in the sweet spot of an auditorium that had the rare PERFECT viewing angles. In a different but similar auditorium, watching the opening sequence in Flashdance, with the gate aperture pulled out entirely to show what the cinematographer saw, was amazing...
A rare experience indeed. I remember watching one of the Star Trek movies at a theatre. The theatre was packed, and the guy in front of me was taller than I am. Every time he shifted position, I had to shift in order to see around him. And then there is the problem of live entertainment being too loud. Yes, I'm old, but it's still too loud.
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Old 03-18-2023, 10:17 AM
 
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Movies and showing them WAS my life for many years, and I got spoiled by viewing them in a few theatres that had proper sight lines.
Overall, it sounds like we've shared a few lines of experience. I more or less grew up in movie palaces, with full run of the back rooms, and watched them decline into grindhouse, blaxsploitation and porn mills. (The queen of them was later restored into Art Deco glory as a destination IMAX house. The king, unfortunately, was torn down to make room for a supermarket. Old-timers still won't set foot in it.)

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My first viewing of the original Star Wars was sitting in the sweet spot of an auditorium that had the rare PERFECT viewing angles.
My first viewing was ordinary, good seats up in the middle. The second time was in the front row, looking up Darth Vader's nose. It was... enlightening. I think I saw it 13 or 18 more times that long, long year.

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As for your problem with projector placement - I once had a similar problem. ... My point is that you may be able to use mirrors to achieve what you want. Projectors these days can flip images in ways that never was possible with 35MM.
The setup is maddening in that examining it with a fairly professional eye for years made it seem perfect... but in the end, there was no combination of zoom, mostly, that would generate a large enough image on the far wall. In addition to the wide zoom and XY keystoning and focus of the model I tried, a shorter-throw zoom might have helped. Not sure I can do anything with a mirror, though... but it's an idea I will definitely keep in the playbook.
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Old 03-18-2023, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Capital Region, NY
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Default 2006 Panasonic 1080P plasma

We had an inexpensive Spectra that was fine for the rec room where it was used with an Xbox. But it died on us after three years.

We have a 1080P Panasonic plasma, believe it or not, that we bought in 2006. At the time everyone was concerned that the plasmas would leave a burn-in image. Well, seventeen years later of daily usage and it’s still performing flawlessly. I had to get a part about five years ago, that I found on eBay, but other than that it has stood the test of time.

We will likely replace it with an oled in the near future. From what I’ve read oleds have better viewing angle tolerances. We have our panel above the fireplace (gas) and it works for us.

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Old 03-18-2023, 12:11 PM
 
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We have a 1080P Panasonic plasma, believe it or not, that we bought in 2006. At the time everyone was concerned that the plasmas would leave a burn-in image. Well, seventeen years later of daily usage and it’s still performing flawlessly. I had to get a part about five years ago, that I found on eBay, but other than that it has stood the test of time.
First flatscreen was a Panasonic plasma that was still working perfectly after 3-4 years. The stake through its heart was that it did not have an HDMI input module, and they proved impossible to get (all the available ones for that series had long since been snapped up). An endlessly determined child took it as a dorm room TV and managed to find a compatible HDMI module for it. Don't know what happened after that but it was of course HD only, so would have been replaced long since anyway. Also, you can cook eggs on them; the massive power demands are avoidable these days and probably pay for a newer TV in a couple of years.

Anyway, we bought the plasma after the spouse, a non-tech, non-gimmick, anti-spending type saw the extraordinary image difference between that and era LCDs. She absolutely didn't mind spending 4X the cost on it, and the sheer enjoyment of it (and a wide viewing angle, needed in our setup) made it all worth while.

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We will likely replace it with an oled in the near future. From what I’ve read oleds have better viewing angle tolerances. We have our panel above the fireplace (gas) and it works for us.
OLED is the new plasma. All LCD/LED TVs use an LCD shutter array that has image falloff to the sides... sometimes with a very wide angle, but noticeable outside of about 120 degrees or so. Plasma and OLED, being composed of actual lit specks, has essentially 180-degree image quality, with some real-world limitations.

The new QLED screens are extraordinary as well, without the cost or theoretically shorter lifespan of OLED.

I will say your TV is mounted way too high for me. I am big on ergonomics and mounting TVs at about a 10-15 degree upward angle, eye height to center, makes for long-duration viewing comfort.
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Old 03-18-2023, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Mountains of Oregon
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We had an inexpensive Spectra that was fine for the rec room where it was used with an Xbox. But it died on us after three years.

We have a 1080P Panasonic plasma, believe it or not, that we bought in 2006. At the time everyone was concerned that the plasmas would leave a burn-in image. Well, seventeen years later of daily usage and it’s still performing flawlessly. I had to get a part about five years ago, that I found on eBay, but other than that it has stood the test of time.

We will likely replace it with an oled in the near future. From what I’ve read oleds have better viewing angle tolerances. We have our panel above the fireplace (gas) and it works for us.
We have been Very Happy with our 40" SPECTRE TV, in our bedroom, for over 15 years. It is still working Great. It has an Awesome Picture & High Definition.
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Old 03-18-2023, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Mountains of Oregon
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If i remember correctly, the 40" Sceptre flatscreen tv cost under $200, at Walmart. It was the first time i ever heard of Sceptre. This lightweight tv replaced a tv that weighed a ton.
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