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Old 04-22-2024, 06:47 PM
 
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We needed to have an honest discussion Palestine for decades.

By ignoring the Palestinian situation, these issues has reached a boiling point on both sides.

Neither side is rational anymore. Everyone is too emotional.

You have a congress which is more concerned with reelection and funding than honestly and professors and students who are emotionally overwrought.

It's a bad situation because it's just ramping up the emotions without fixing anything.

If you look at this situation like the Britain/Ireland. The British rules the Irish for hundreds of years as if they were less than human. During that time, the Irish always resisted. The Irish Republican Army (IRA) grew and was dedicated to anti-British imperialism by means of terrorism to achieve the goals of an independent Irish republic. Israel/Palestine is no different!
"The Three No's"; No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. That is what Israel is dealing with. That is what the student protesters support.

The progressive professors and students at Columbia do not discuss this issue in good faith because they have been brainwashed to believe that in 1948 something was taken from the Arab population in the region referred to as Palestine.

One side has supported a two-state solution in 1937, 1939, 1947, 1979, 1990s, 2000 and 2008, officially, and there have been other "unofficial" proposals.

One side has supported a two-state solution in ... never.
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Old 04-23-2024, 07:13 AM
 
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"The Three No's"; No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. That is what Israel is dealing with. That is what the student protesters support.

The progressive professors and students at Columbia do not discuss this issue in good faith because they have been brainwashed to believe that in 1948 something was taken from the Arab population in the region referred to as Palestine.

One side has supported a two-state solution in 1937, 1939, 1947, 1979, 1990s, 2000 and 2008, officially, and there have been other "unofficial" proposals.

One side has supported a two-state solution in ... never.
Exactly. And it is very telling that not a single Muslim majority nation is willing to take in Palestinian refugees. Why is that? Perhaps Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Arab Saudi, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the UAE, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, etc. ad nauseum, know something that the braindead Ivy libbies don't know.
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Old 04-23-2024, 08:11 AM
 
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Exactly. And it is very telling that not a single Muslim majority nation is willing to take in Palestinian refugees. Why is that? Perhaps Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Arab Saudi, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the UAE, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, etc. ad nauseum, know something that the braindead Ivy libbies don't know.
They won’t take them in because they already did once before and it lead to violence. These nations had to send out the military to put a stop to their activities. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that has caused problems for neighboring Islamic countries. These are groups so radical that neighboring Islamic countries reject them. Neighboring countries will support them as long as they’re fighting against Israel.
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Old 04-23-2024, 10:39 AM
 
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You are correct. Plagiarism was the catalyst that allowed the Harvard community to see that a third tier researcher and minor intellect was allowed to assume the presidency of one of the most influential institutions in the world.
Yeah, but she was a DEI hire.
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Old 04-29-2024, 06:19 AM
 
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Exactly. And it is very telling that not a single Muslim majority nation is willing to take in Palestinian refugees. Why is that? Perhaps Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Arab Saudi, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the UAE, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, etc. ad nauseum, know something that the braindead Ivy libbies don't know.
Why should they take them in? Don't Palestinians have a right to continue living on their land?
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Old 04-29-2024, 06:23 AM
 
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We needed to have an honest discussion Palestine for decades.

By ignoring the Palestinian situation, these issues has reached a boiling point on both sides.

Neither side is rational anymore. Everyone is too emotional.

You have a congress which is more concerned with reelection and funding than honestly and professors and students who are emotionally overwrought.

It's a bad situation because it's just ramping up the emotions without fixing anything.

If you look at this situation like the Britain/Ireland. The British rules the Irish for hundreds of years as if they were less than human. During that time, the Irish always resisted. The Irish Republican Army (IRA) grew and was dedicated to anti-British imperialism by means of terrorism to achieve the goals of an independent Irish republic. Israel/Palestine is no different!
I agree! The occupied will always rebel against the occupier and by any means necessary.
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Old 04-29-2024, 07:10 AM
 
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Why should they take them in? Don't Palestinians have a right to continue living on their land?
Well they could live on their land but they keep allowing Hamas to steal the foreign aid, use it to build weapons, and then attack their neighbor. That doesn't make sense, does it? For example, the EU sent steel pipe to Palestine to build water-supply lines (from their neighbor's land), but Hamas cut up the pipe to make rockets. Seems kind of stupid to me; how about you?

Weren't Palestinians living on their land peacefully before October 7, 2023? What happened on October 7, 2023, that changed the conditions?
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Old 04-29-2024, 07:37 AM
 
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Why should they take them in? Don't Palestinians have a right to continue living on their land?
Don't Israelis have a right to continue living on their land? Is this really about land or about religion?
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Old 04-29-2024, 03:00 PM
 
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Weren't Palestinians living on their land peacefully before October 7, 2023? What happened on October 7, 2023, that changed the conditions?
No, Palestinians have not been living peacefully on their own land.

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Settlements continued to expand in the decades that followed, and by 1993 there were more than 280,000 people living in settlements (130,000 if East Jerusalem is excluded).

That same year Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) agreed to implement a two-state solution, which required the two parties to come to an agreement on matters that would have direct consequence for the borders and contiguity of a future Palestinian state, including the final status of Israeli settlements.

Despite the agreement, settlement building proliferated, especially in the West Bank, and in 2019 the number of settlers reached nearly 630,000 (413,000 if East Jerusalem is excluded). Most of these newer settlers were motivated less by reasons of ideology or recovering lost property, however, than by cheaper housing and financial incentives offered by the Israeli government.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Israeli-settlement

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Weiman was an Israeli special forces soldier between 2005 and 2008 and served all over the West Bank. Today he's deputy director of Breaking the Silence, an organization of Israeli army veterans that advocates to end Israel's military occupation of the territory.

About 700,000 Israeli settlers live in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, according to the United Nations' human rights office. Israel has promoted the settlements, which much of the international community condemns as a violation of international law. But settlers are trying to expand those settlements by building a network of smaller outposts, without Israeli government approval, and eating into more Palestinian land. The U.N. human rights office says there are now more than 160 unauthorized outposts in the region. Violent settlers and unauthorized outposts are a growing source of tension between Israel and the United States.
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Old 04-30-2024, 11:21 AM
 
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Why should they take them in? Don't Palestinians have a right to continue living on their land?
If you go back to 1856 the Turks will say "The Palestinians or the Jews do not own their land, we do!"
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