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Old 01-04-2024, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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this is very imortant verse that need to be surely interpreted

was the Holy Spirit there at the time of Jesus and before Jesus?

Who is the one that interpreted the word Helper by the Holy Spirit ?

what is the exact word that Jesus used it in his langauge for this word meaning helpper?

Are these words Comforter, Counselor ,Advocate = Helper
and all of them can be translated to one word
the word that Jesus spoke
I believe the holy spirit was real people who lived real lives till they died.
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Old 01-04-2024, 01:02 AM
 
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I believe the holy spirit was real people who lived real lives till they died.
What about the one that Jesus preached,
whom the Father will send in his name, he will teach you all things
Who is he?
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Old 01-04-2024, 07:05 AM
 
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Aramaic is the language Jesus spoke.

and he used Allah for the word God
Yet the Gospel writers decided not to quote him in it. And he is never quoted as saying "Allah".


Why should we believe anything you have to say about Christianity if you can't get that basic thing correct?
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Old 01-04-2024, 08:11 AM
 
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Fortunately, we do not need to rely on His words as reported by our ancestors. We are more likely to get a truer picture of the "mind of Christ" by what He is reported to have DONE and His attitudes towards us.
Same problem - you only know about those things by, as you've pointed out correctly, "what [h]e is reported to have [done]". Reported. By men. Some of whom may have had an agenda. Others of whom may have made good-faith errors.
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Those things are less likely to be subject to telephone distortion, although embellishments are likely.
Those things were communicated in the exact same way, so, no, they are just as likely to be subject to distortions.
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Old 01-04-2024, 10:13 AM
 
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Fortunately, we do not need to rely on His words as reported by our ancestors. We are more likely to get a truer picture of the "mind of Christ" by what He is reported to have DONE and His attitudes towards us. Those things are less likely to be subject to telephone distortion, although embellishments are likely. However, the basic character of the actions and attitudes should be reliably inferred from them. In short, it is the persona of Jesus we discern, per se, that tells us what is or is not likely to be compatible with what is claimed to have been said by Him. For example, His complete lack of any wrath or vengeance despite a horrendous scourging and crucifixion tells us that neither He nor God have any wrath or vengeance toward us no matter what we do. So we can discount the wrath and vengeance reports as a very human and primitive misunderstanding.
I trust his Inspired Word more than I do your late night taco-fueld visions.
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Old 01-04-2024, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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do you beleive Moses parting the sea?

not for a prophet

and here is another one not true about another prophet

Genesis 19:35-36 ESV
So they made their father drink wine that night also.
And the younger arose and lay with him,
and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.

Thus both the daughters of Lot became pregnant by their father.
King David was a Prophet [Acts 2:29-31]

I am not aware of any Bible passage that says Lot was a prophet.
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Old 01-04-2024, 10:40 AM
 
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King David was a Prophet [Acts 2:29-31]

I am not aware of any Bible passage that says Lot was a prophet.
Lot wasn't. Islam considers him to have been one, though.
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Old 01-04-2024, 10:41 AM
 
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do you beleive Moses parting the sea?






not for a prophet

and here is another one not true about another prophet

Genesis 19:35-36 ESV
So they made their father drink wine that night also.
And the younger arose and lay with him,
and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.

Thus both the daughters of Lot became pregnant by their father.
Again...where do you get the idea that prophets can't sin? And why won't you apply the same standard to your prophet, who married a 9 year old girl?
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Old 01-04-2024, 07:08 PM
 
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Yet the Gospel writers decided not to quote him in it.
honesty

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And he is never quoted as saying "Allah".
He did and any one can hear and see that in the film about Jesus

Jesus said Allah in his language

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Old 01-04-2024, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Again...where do you get the idea that prophets can't sin? And why won't you apply the same standard to your prophet, who married a 9 year old girl?
I do not follow Mohammad.

However I must ask, what Biblical sin was violated in marrying a 9yo girl?
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