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Old 11-19-2022, 08:53 AM
 
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The biggest lie ever told is that a God of Love either torments and burns the Unsaved for infinity, or completely annihilates them. Of course, the Christian Bible teaches no such thing. Yet for some reason, this lie persists to this very day.

Take the Lake of Fire for example. Christians are 'told' that the Lake of Fire is where everything ends. According to the false teachings, those that are thrown in will never have a 'second chance' at Salvation. Is this correct? We will now look at the evidence.

The Lake of Fire has several names in the Bible. One of them is 'Gehenna'. This word comes from the Old Testament, and a place called the 'Valley of the Son of Hinnom'. Thus, to gain an understanding of this fiery place of judgment, we must study Gehenna to see what it reveals to us...

2 Kings 23:10
"And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech."


Some important clues are given to us...
  • The Lake of Fire is also called Tophet
  • Those thrown in 'pass through the fire' and do not 'burn forever'
  • Once they pass through, they go to an entity called 'Molech' or 'Moloch'.
We begin with the word 'Tophet'. What does that word mean and where did it come from? An old Hebrew to English Lexicon reveals the answer.

HEBREW AND ENGLISH LEXICON, JOHN PARKHURST, 1823, PAGE 569...

https://archive.org/details/hebrewen...e/568/mode/2up



Several meanings are given, however the one that fits perfectly is the Goddess Vesta.

Vesta is the Goddess of 'Eternal Fire'. Does this sound familiar?

Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."


Indeed, the fires of Vesta are found all throughout the Bible. The Brazen Altar is one place as is of course the Lake of Fire. Vesta is also synonymous with Hestia, who is the sister of Hades. Hades is another word found in the Bible...

Luke 16:23 (New International Version)
"In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side."


So far, Vesta and Hestia are perfect Biblical matches for the so called 'Fires of Hell'.

Now for the punchline. God has a way of teaching things that the Student of the Word must study and work for. This is one of them. Sadly, most Christians have utterly failed at this. Are you ready for the Big Reveal as to what the Lake of Fire is?

From Wikipedia:

"The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few; the most notable of them were tales of miraculous impregnation of a virgin priestess by a phallus appearing in the flames of the sacred hearth — the manifestation of the goddess combined with a male supernatural being."

It turns out that Vesta is almost never depicted in art. You see why. Vesta is the Moment of Conception. And now you have your answer as to what happens to the Unsaved. They come back to Earth to be born again of corruptible flesh. In other words, they are reincarnated.

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Old 11-19-2022, 09:03 AM
 
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According to Jesus, Gehenna is where Children are born out of...

Matthew 23:15 (Berean Literal Bible)
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you traverse the sea and the dry land to make one convert, and whenever it may happen, you make him twofold more a son of Gehenna than yourselves."


The phrase 'Son of Gehenna' is as literal as the phrase 'Son of God'.

The Church will tell you differently of course. They will tell you it is a 'figure of speech' and 'not literal' so as to try and throw you off from the Truth.

The Bible is replete with verses revealing where we come from. We were thrown into the Lake of Fire and born out of Gehenna and Hell.

Here is another verse...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."


The 'Lowest parts of the Earth' is what Christians call 'Hell', and yet we see that babies are born out of it.

Shame on the Church for hiding this!

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Old 11-19-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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Oh goodie. Another wanna-be teacher promoting his own personal ideas.
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Old 11-19-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."


The 'Lowest parts of the Earth' is what Christians call 'Hell', and yet we see that babies are born out of it.
Note the phrase 'Lowest parts of the Earth' in the above verse. Where did Jesus go in this next verse...

Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"


Christians will tell you that Jesus 'visited Hell'. However, if we put the two verses together, we discover that Jesus descended first into the Womb of Mary.

Jesus did not magically appear on a Cross and then 'descend' to incarnate. Jesus descended first *from Heaven* to become birthed...

John 3:13
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."


See how the lies of the Church pile up?
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Old 11-19-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Note the phrase 'Lowest parts of the Earth' in the above verse. Where did Jesus go in this next verse...

Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"


Christians will tell you that Jesus 'visited Hell'. However, if we put the two verses together, we discover that Jesus descended first into the Womb of Mary.

Jesus did not magically appear on a Cross and then 'descend' to incarnate. Jesus descended first *from Heaven* to become birthed...

John 3:13
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."


See how the lies of the Church pile up?
Meaning of informationn you presented is lost thousands of years ago, lost with memory of the ages, lost with language the used, with Gnostic types of mythos and true understanding of those. The thing that left is "spirit and truth" and "15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ".
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Old 11-19-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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Oh goodie. Another wanna-be teacher promoting his own personal ideas.
This is the forum for it though Michael

In Scripture Paul says to test all things and hold on to the good

It’s ok to ask questions, seek and to share with each other (and also to present our ideas for others) - but a lot of the time where it breaks down is we give in to to our natural desire to attack those we don’t agree with or in trying to defend our self from those who don’t agree with us

This is what we see practiced and we copy that type of behaviour
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Old 11-19-2022, 10:47 AM
 
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Base, I am finding this information good, the only issue I have is with the provocative language against the church and denominations

That will always provoke a defensive attitude from others which gets in the way of communication/communion
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Old 11-19-2022, 11:44 AM
 
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According to Jesus, Gehenna is where Children are born out of...

Matthew 23:15 (Berean Literal Bible)
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you traverse the sea and the dry land to make one convert, and whenever it may happen, you make him twofold more a son of Gehenna than yourselves."


The phrase 'Son of Gehenna' is as literal as the phrase 'Son of God'.

The Church will tell you differently of course. They will tell you it is a 'figure of speech' and 'not literal' so as to try and throw you off from the Truth.

The Bible is replete with verses revealing where we come from. We were thrown into the Lake of Fire and born out of Gehenna and Hell.

Here is another verse...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."


The 'Lowest parts of the Earth' is what Christians call 'Hell', and yet we see that babies are born out of it.

Shame on the Church for hiding this!
You try to mix God with pagan gods. You must know that is sin?
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Old 11-19-2022, 01:39 PM
 
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Base, I am finding this information good, the only issue I have is with the provocative language against the church and denominations

That will always provoke a defensive attitude from others which gets in the way of communication/communion
Thanks, Meerkat2. Really good advice.
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Old 11-20-2022, 10:28 AM
 
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Meaning of informationn you presented is lost thousands of years ago, lost with memory of the ages, lost with language the used, with Gnostic types of mythos and true understanding of those. The thing that left is "spirit and truth" and "15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ".
The Lake of Fire can be traced all the way back to the Garden of Eden. The Flaming Sword and Cherubim are the exit from the Portal...

Genesis 3:24
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."


Christians have no idea that Adam and Eve being banned was a picture of being cast into the Lake of Fire and becoming born again of corruptible flesh. It was all a foreshadowing.
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