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Old 11-20-2023, 05:14 PM
 
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Is anyone really surprised??? Cuomo and now Cruella....

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Old 11-20-2023, 05:20 PM
 
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Already another thread on this.

Long story short, I moved to NY last year and compared to the other two states I’ve lived in, it’s MUCH more ingrained in the culture.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:31 PM
 
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Accidentally drawn here because I misread as

NY last FREE state in the union and had to see this for myself.


Realized soon enough.

Yup. I agree.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:33 PM
 
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Again, keep in mind that this is by the Libertarian Cato Institute. So, that likely plays a part in the ranking. Ironically, they actually gave the state high marks in regards to marijuana and lower incarceration rates.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:36 PM
 
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Again, keep in mind that this is by the Libertarian Cato Institute. So, that likely plays a part in the ranking. Ironically, they actually gave the state high marks in regards to marijuana and lower incarceration rates.
That’s not what I would call ironic for libertarians. I kinda am one, sorta.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:46 PM
 
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That’s not what I would call ironic for libertarians. I kinda am one, sorta.
I'm thinking it is ironic in terms of ranking the state high for those things, as some would say that there have been issues with getting the cannabis industry off the ground and issues with the criminal justice system.

Also, some of the things may not come into play for many people. For instance, it gave the state a low grade for tobacco freedom.

I also wonder if NYC skews things, as it has its own income tax, as does Yonkers. The rest of the state doesn't.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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I'm thinking it is ironic in terms of ranking the state high for those things, as some would say that there have been issues with getting the cannabis industry off the ground and issues with the criminal justice system.

Also, some of the things may not come into play for many people. For instance, it gave the state a low grade for tobacco freedom.

I also wonder if NYC skews things, as it has its own income tax, as does Yonkers. The rest of the state doesn't.
Ah, makes sense. My first thought was likewise there’s an irony in how the cannabis rollout has been handled. The justic system here, I do t know enough about yet to offer a commentary on.
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Old 11-20-2023, 07:20 PM
 
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Already another thread on this.

Long story short, I moved to NY last year and compared to the other two states I’ve lived in, it’s MUCH more ingrained in the culture.
I was very curious to know more about the bolded statement above, then I happened to see your excellent comments in the politics forum on this same topic: https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...y-freedom.html

The way you describe NY's orderly, rules-oriented culture is so interesting. That mindset would be a perfect fit for me, and I'm hoping to move to NY next year. (You also taught me a new word - 'martinet'.)
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Old 11-20-2023, 07:23 PM
 
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^I just took a look at that thread and it is nice to know that someone else is familiar with the fact about NYC having its own income tax: https://www.city-data.com/forum/66095619-post9.html
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Old 11-20-2023, 07:33 PM
 
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Freedom is an emotionally charged word. It means different things to different people, but no matter what someone's concept of freedom entails, the word carries a positive connotation. The CATO Institute wants to attach the word 'freedom' to their policy agenda. But when I look at the criteria used for this ranking, I don't see some universally accepted definition of freedom. This index is basically just a measure of how much each state lines up with the Cato Institute's policy positions.
https://www.freedominthe50states.org/calculation
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