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Old 01-19-2024, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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Actually though, that's exactly what they're doing. And, from a moral standpoint, it's worse than that.

When they move to places like Coeur d'Alene, Eagle or Boise, Idaho; they complain bitterly when local workers ask for an increase in their minimum wages, or when asked to expand the state's school lunch programs or healthcare initiatives.

Meanwhile, they expect the taxpayers of California to keep funding their pensions and healthcare but balk incessantly when asked to contribute to the wellbeing of the places they've moved to.

It's pure hypocrisy.

I wish the state would leverage an extra tax on the pensions of those who do this sort of thing.
Thankfully we live in a country with a constitutional right to move freely between states. Asserting that those leaving a state are immorally abandoning it and should be penalized is the very kind of authoritarianism that makes people want to leave. Instead of putting up walls to keep people in, address the root issues driving them to leave.

Or, let them go and wish them well. If they are out of step with California's politics, everyone is better off if they move to a location where they are a better fit.

If you don't like the generous pensions these workers have earned, then you'd better start scaling these back for new workers. Because once earned the state has an obligation to make good on its promises. This isn't the fault of the workers that went into these jobs in large part due to the promised benefits. And under Federal law, a state cannot tax retirement income after someone is no longer a resident.

BTW - almost no one talks about the minimum wage here in Boise, or lack thereof. We're at the Federal minimum, yet starting pay for fast food workers is around $18/hr.

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Old 01-19-2024, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Flovis
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Wasnt boise topping most unaffordable city lists during the pandemic? I havent seen it on any recent lists, so perhaps price drops have helped get it off those lists.





From 2021

A Boise Regional Realtors study found that the city's median home price was almost $535,000 — 10 times higher than the city's median income


2022
County level


The Top 10 counties "where housing is no longer affordable" are listed below. 1. Ada County, Idaho (Boise) 2. Collier County, Florida (Naples) 3. Travis County, Texas (Austin) 4. Williamson County, Texas (Austin) 5. Washoe County, Nevada (Reno) 6. Douglas County, Colorado (Denver) 7. Davis County, Utah (Ogden/Clearfield) 8. Larimer County, Colorado (Fort Collins) 9. Salt Lake County, Utah (Salt Lake City) 10. Kitsap County, Washington (Bremerton/Silverdale)

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Old 01-19-2024, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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Wasnt boise topping most unaffordable city lists during the pandemic? I havent seen it on any recent lists, so perhaps price drops have helped get it off those lists.





From 2021

A Boise Regional Realtors study found that the city's median home price was almost $535,000 — 10 times higher than the city's median income


2022
County level


The Top 10 counties "where housing is no longer affordable" are listed below. 1. Ada County, Idaho (Boise) 2. Collier County, Florida (Naples) 3. Travis County, Texas (Austin) 4. Williamson County, Texas (Austin) 5. Washoe County, Nevada (Reno) 6. Douglas County, Colorado (Denver) 7. Davis County, Utah (Ogden/Clearfield) 8. Larimer County, Colorado (Fort Collins) 9. Salt Lake County, Utah (Salt Lake City) 10. Kitsap County, Washington (Bremerton/Silverdale)
Boise, like a lot of cities, experienced rapid price appreciation during the pandemic, around 40-50%. Prices peaked May 2022, came down a little bit, but started increasing YoY in Nov and Dec. Incomes have also grown rapidly, but it takes a little longer for this to show up in the data, so I think that's part of what's going on.

Regardless, these affordability lists are based on prices relative to local wages. But that's meaningless for pensioners on a fixed income. What really matters for them is affordability relative to their pension, and even with the rapid price gains Boise is still far more affordable than many places in CA.
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Old 01-19-2024, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Wasnt boise topping most unaffordable city lists during the pandemic? I havent seen it on any recent lists, so perhaps price drops have helped get it off those lists.





From 2021

A Boise Regional Realtors study found that the city's median home price was almost $535,000 — 10 times higher than the city's median income


2022
County level


The Top 10 counties "where housing is no longer affordable" are listed below. 1. Ada County, Idaho (Boise) 2. Collier County, Florida (Naples) 3. Travis County, Texas (Austin) 4. Williamson County, Texas (Austin) 5. Washoe County, Nevada (Reno) 6. Douglas County, Colorado (Denver) 7. Davis County, Utah (Ogden/Clearfield) 8. Larimer County, Colorado (Fort Collins) 9. Salt Lake County, Utah (Salt Lake City) 10. Kitsap County, Washington (Bremerton/Silverdale)
I think there are many more than this, squeezed between all of these.
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Old 01-21-2024, 12:42 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Housing is becoming expensive in Florida as well.

As the cost of living pushes more and more people out of their homes, the Martin County Sheriff’s Office now has a new problem — “floating communities.”

https://www.wflx.com/2024/01/18/more...-living-rises/
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Old 01-21-2024, 01:56 PM
 
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I had a friend who lived in Reno,and he has mentioned that the housing there is unaffordable for many of the locals,and i'm sure places like Las Vegas will end up on the list too sooner or later.


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2022
County level


The Top 10 counties "where housing is no longer affordable" are listed below. 1. Ada County, Idaho (Boise) 2. Collier County, Florida (Naples) 3. Travis County, Texas (Austin) 4. Williamson County, Texas (Austin) 5. Washoe County, Nevada (Reno) 6. Douglas County, Colorado (Denver) 7. Davis County, Utah (Ogden/Clearfield) 8. Larimer County, Colorado (Fort Collins) 9. Salt Lake County, Utah (Salt Lake City) 10. Kitsap County, Washington (Bremerton/Silverdale)
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Old 01-23-2024, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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I had a friend who lived in Reno,and he has mentioned that the housing there is unaffordable for many of the locals,and i'm sure places like Las Vegas will end up on the list too sooner or later.
Las Vegas is building a ton of apartments which, depending on your view of things, may or may not bode well for the long term. The reddit forums seem to think this has created a lot of problems in parts of Las Vegas that previously didn't have any.

The city of Henderson, next to Las Vegas, has been allowing housing to be built on formerly contaminated mining sites. That is a huge problem, for obvious reasons.

Needless to say, they don't have a problem building housing in Las Vegas.

Reno, on the other hand, is not as pro-growth as Las Vegas.
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Old 01-24-2024, 09:22 AM
 
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The California exodus continues.

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California’s population dipped by about 75,000 from 2022 to 2023, estimates released Tuesday by the Census Bureau shows, with about 38,965,000 million people in the state this year. The state’s population has fallen since its 2019 peak of 39.5 million, though the annual loss has also slowed each year.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/californ...3-18566180.php
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Old 01-24-2024, 06:32 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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A Boise Regional Realtors study found that the city's median home price was almost $535,000 — 10 times higher than the city's median income
15 times higher here, at least.
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Old 01-24-2024, 06:34 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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No, we need them to build the millions of houses the state needs.
Both.
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