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Old 07-25-2021, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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How is it "above its weight"? Wouldn't greater NYC deserve a place like it, especially given the recent prices in Manhattan? It's relatively central and has a waterfront, and large parcels with highrise zoning have been plentiful.
I totally agree that it is punching above its weight. With a population around 300,000 people, Jersey City has more than double the skycrapers than cities like Phoenix (1.7 million), San Antonio (1.4 million), Jacksonville, FL (800k-ish), and many more.

Jersey City has a superb skyline that continues to grow. Granted, the major reason is due to its proximity across the Hudson from Manhattan, but still, it is really impressive for its size.
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Old 07-25-2021, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Sure, but there's also more than 3 300+ buildings under construction.
Great overview (and pics). Certainly you're right; there's more legit skyscapers being built, too (the recently completed W/Element is also great on that score and was exactly what Chestnut needed).

The best part is that nearly all of these projects are taking out prominent (embarrassing) vacant or severely underutilized lots. And with Philly's "tightness" they make a huge street-level impact to the look/feel of the neighborhood in a very positive way.
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Old 07-25-2021, 04:33 PM
 
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Above its weight in terms of its smaller population relative to most of the other cities ahead of it.

I'll speak from the development world...municipal population means almost NOTHING. Jersey City is a secondary downtown for the entire NYC region.
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Old 07-25-2021, 04:44 PM
 
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I'll speak from the development world...municipal population means almost NOTHING. Jersey City is a secondary downtown for the entire NYC region.
Yeah, spillover from one of the tallest and densest skylines in the world is expected. Being a separate jurisdiction doesn't make it impressive.
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Old 07-25-2021, 05:01 PM
 
Location: West
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I totally agree that it is punching above its weight. With a population around 300,000 people, Jersey City has more than double the skycrapers than cities like Phoenix (1.7 million), San Antonio (1.4 million), Jacksonville, FL (800k-ish), and many more.

Jersey City has a superb skyline that continues to grow. Granted, the major reason is due to its proximity across the Hudson from Manhattan, but still, it is really impressive for its size.
I dont really think city propers are relevant. Also Jersey City is a satellite city of the largest city in the nation, and impressive skyline comes with that territory imo.
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Old 07-25-2021, 05:19 PM
 
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If this is by city proper the Miami numbers are crazy.
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Old 07-25-2021, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Great overview (and pics). Certainly you're right; there's more legit skyscapers being built, too (the recently completed W/Element is also great on that score and was exactly what Chestnut needed).

The best part is that nearly all of these projects are taking out prominent (embarrassing) vacant or severely underutilized lots. And with Philly's "tightness" they make a huge street-level impact to the look/feel of the neighborhood in a very positive way.
I have written at length about this before, but Philadelphia has the lowest commercial property taxes in the country for major cities. It's due to the Uniformity clause in the state constitution that a municipality can only set one single property tax rate for all properties. It's incredibly damaging on multiple levels, but it essentially gives these institutional land owners little incentive to do anything with their property until a "good deal" comes along. So massive lots like 8th and Market, 13th and Market, and 23rd and Market just sit there waiting for a tenet to come a long and wants to build an actual supertall trophy tower. Which obviously does not come around very often.

Every few years consultancy groups and tax agencies produce reports showing that if Philadelphia actually raised commercial property taxes it could remove the Business Income tax (this absolutely kills the city vs. the suburbs) and lower the personal income tax: Increasing Commercial Property Tax Rate Could Bring Nearly 80K Jobs to Philly

But when your city is ran by corrupt idiots who don't want to give up power and your state is run by corrupt idiots who don't want to give up power, nothing ever happens.
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Old 07-25-2021, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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I'll speak from the development world...municipal population means almost NOTHING. Jersey City is a secondary downtown for the entire NYC region.
This is a semantic argument, but I believe that you're describing "why" it punches above its weight.
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Old 07-25-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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Not at all. Municipal population just isn't a factor. Jersey City could be unincorporated and it would still merit a large skyline. Same if it was a single square mile or 100 square miles.

It's basically CD imagination that gives municipal population some relevance here.

Skylines and construction economics are regulated by municipalities, but they're largely a function of metropolitan regions. Secondary nodes are parts of the whole.
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Old 07-25-2021, 10:55 PM
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Location: Miami
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Yeah in about 3 years it will have a better skyline than Dallas. Crazy.
You can tell just by driving down I-35… Austin is booming. Projects from left and right, everywhere you look, it’s crazy.
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