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Old 01-07-2014, 10:06 PM
 
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We did save your asses supplying materials before the war and then defeating the Nazis with the Russians...but you don't have to admit it. Of course we had a self interest in helping the Brits and preventing Hilter from controlling all of Europe.
Before the war ? The neutrality act prohibited US firms to sell weapons until 1939. And before 1939 the US were selling stuff to everyone, Germany included, which helped them a lot to improve their economy and indirectly their army. Moreover the US were selling everything - cash and carry system -, it was business, nothing to brag about. Roosevelt wanted the US to help the Allies as much as possible, but most Americans were isolationist and wanted to keep neutrality.
The UK had to wait 1941 to see real help. The Battle of Britain was over but it helped in North African battles to the fall of Berlin.
Don't forget there was slightly more British soldiers during the D-day than American. Everyone is grateful the US were dragged into the war or Japan and Germany would have ruled the world for some time. But nobody could have win against Nazi Germany alone.
The way American think about politics and international affairs exist only since 1945 and the huge war's propaganda Roosevelt had to use to persuade Americans. The USA post-WWII was very different.
Seriously, we shouldn't even care about this. Nations are soo 19th-20th century. Today we all live in the Matrix.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:19 PM
 
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The American constitution is the shortest constitution in the world and was modeled after the British constitutional system. Here is a brief history of constitutions from ancient times and onwards:

Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The whole concept of a written constitution is foreign to the British system of government.
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Old 01-08-2014, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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Look carry on. I am eternally grateful for what my country's armed forces done - and I know the war wouldn't have been won by the allies if it wasn't for all three. You don't hear British and Russian people saying "we prevented America being invaded" every 5 minutes - even though it is true. America should be as grateful as we are for Russia and America's efforts.

The Germans only attacked Russia after loosing the Battle Of Britain.

Britain prevented Rommel getting a hold in north Africa.

Britain also sunk the pride of the German navy the Bismark the Turpidz and the Admiral Graft Spey - three of the biggest ships in the German fleet and the Royal navy successfully blockaded the Germany Navy's Surface feet.

If Britain had fallen to the Nazis, there would have been no springboard to invade Normandy and ultimately defeat Htler.

We beat the axis all over the globe from Europe to Burma to North Africa.
The main thing I hate about these arguments about who contributed the most or was the most instrumental in winning WW2 overlooks the fact that we were allies, and it was an allied victory. Could any one country have done it on their own? Eh, if they could have, it would have taken much, much longer... but this sort of argument is pointless revisionist what-if's: what if Hitler had stepped up the Battle of Britain rather than scale back? What if he'd never attacked the Soviets? What if the Japanese had never touched Pearl Harbor? What if, what if, what if...? We'll never know.

What we do know is that millions of American, British, Soviet, Australian, Canadian, and Chinese soldiers laid down their lives to defeat the Axis - Germany, Italy, and Japan, and this is the reality that we live with today.

When it comes to national constitutions, it's a demonstrable fact that the US constitution did indeed influence many other national constitutions and this has been cited by countless scholars and legal experts around the globe. In the 230+ years since the US constitution was ratified and put into effect and was used as a basis or inspiration for many other constitutions, there has been a steady evolution; the US' constitution is a couple centuries old, while other nations have enacted or redone their constitutions in the last century - in some cases, in the last couple decades. These newer constitutions do take into account the realities of the 21st century and in many cases certainly supplant the US constitution, and many other powerful and successful nations have constitutions or charters that are dramatically different from the US' - China and Japan would be perfect examples, for different reasons.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:50 AM
 
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Abraham Lincoln purposely tried to foster the "constitutional religion" (his words) among the American people, and we can agree he's been successful; the Constitution has a supernatural character for many Americans. It also helps that this constitutional religion is based on the fertile soil of American evangelical bibliolatry.

In practice, when someone pulls out the constitutional card is usually to give weight to their rather repulsive prejudice, as in "What would the founding fathers have thought if they knew we would have a jigaboo as President?".
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The reality is that since the end of WWII until now, the USA by itself is more powerful than all of Europe combined. Even now, Europe (excepting Russia) would not be able to defend itself for more than a few days if the Muslims decided to band together and attack. Europeans are unarmed personally and their militaries are weak and underfunded. You are very dependent on US military might and willpower for your safety...I sure as heck wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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The reality is that since the end of WWII until now, the USA by itself is more powerful than all of Europe combined. Even now, Europe (excepting Russia) would not be able to defend itself for more than a few days if the Muslims decided to band together and attack. Europeans are unarmed personally and their militaries are weak and underfunded. You are very dependent on US military might and willpower for your safety...I sure as heck wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
And now, let's take a chill pill and assess the probability of a Muslim military invasion of Europe...

Edit: I'm wondering how someone can post something like that without laughing like a maniac...
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Old 01-08-2014, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Finland
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And now, let's take a chill pill and assess the probability of a Muslim military invasion of Europe...

Edit: I'm wondering how someone can post something like that without laughing like a maniac...
And after the chill pill let's see what equipment the EU armies have combined.
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Old 01-08-2014, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Before the war ? The neutrality act prohibited US firms to sell weapons until 1939. And before 1939 the US were selling stuff to everyone, Germany included, which helped them a lot to improve their economy and indirectly their army. Moreover the US were selling everything - cash and carry system -, it was business, nothing to brag about. Roosevelt wanted the US to help the Allies as much as possible, but most Americans were isolationist and wanted to keep neutrality.

The UK had to wait 1941 to see real help. The Battle of Britain was over but it helped in North African battles to the fall of Berlin.

Don't forget there was slightly more British soldiers during the D-day than American. Everyone is grateful the US were dragged into the war or Japan and Germany would have ruled the world for some time. But nobody could have win against Nazi Germany alone.

The way American think about politics and international affairs exist only since 1945 and the huge war's propaganda Roosevelt had to use to persuade Americans. The USA post-WWII was very different.
Seriously, we shouldn't even care about this. Nations are soo 19th-20th century. Today we all live in the Matrix
Good Post.

It should also be noted that American companies such as Ford, let Hitler keep the profits from sales made in Germany in the 1930's, which were used to fund Nazi Rallies and the like. There were numerous American companies who supplied the Nazi's at the time from Coca Cola to Kodak, and George. W. Bush's Grand farther also made a tidy profit from trading with them. Whilst Hitler himself was inspired by the work being done on eugenics at the University of Chicago and even wrote to the scientists there.
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The reality is that since the end of WWII until now, the USA by itself is more powerful than all of Europe combined. Even now, Europe (excepting Russia) would not be able to defend itself for more than a few days if the Muslims decided to band together and attack. Europeans are unarmed personally and their militaries are weak and underfunded. You are very dependent on US military might and willpower for your safety...I sure as heck wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
An invasion of Europe is worth considering as plausible, but the Muslims banding together is much more problematic. The Muslims in Iraq can't even band together to form a unified nation. Try to imagine Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Yemen, Iran, Bangladesh and Indonesia forming a cohesive military -- or any two of the above.

The Moors and the Ottomans both successfully invaded and held parts of Europe in the past, but were unable to advance or maintain an occupation.
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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What you just said is the definition of a constitution.
For example, the German constitutional court is always watching new europeans treaties and decide if they are compatible with the German constitution. Or the French constitutional court said last year that the 75% tax law, the way it was written, was unconstitutional. Etc.
I think American are in love with their constitution for the same reason they are in love with the funding fathers. Because it's the source of the USA. If the funding fathers didn't write a constitution, there wouldn't be any USA but many independent states more or less linked. The USA was not a nation, nor an ethnic group, but a "contract". We should remember in those times people didn't think they were "American" but individuals who wanted to be freed from the British crown. Many still had a home in Europe and saw the USA just like a business. Today we can speak about the American's nation, but that's relatively new.

And the American constitution didn't protect you from your state, the federal American state was nothing like your funding fathers wished. You have the biggest military, the biggest spying program and trillions of debts. With all the anti-terrorist acts, any insurrection would be legally crushed before fox news would even speak about it.

But, sadly, it's not any better around here..
If the constitution is followed, it would have to be crushed by forces within the states as after the civil war, it became unconstitutional for the federal government to send the military into any states.
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