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Old 08-12-2009, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I've been floored by some new hires recently. I work for Big Oil and have seen new folks come in and ask if they can come in at a certain time, like 8:30, when the rest of the office gets in around 7. A guy mentioned that he would be too tired to meet with his friends in the evening if he had such early hours, because they often met later.

I think this computer generation doesnt like to read either...to used to hitting a few keys and staring at a monitor. This whole tailor the company/education to the individual mentality is quite disturbing.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:29 AM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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I'll be glad to come in at 6:00am, and stay until the job is done.

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Old 08-12-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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Being in my early 20s, I'd have to agree with you. Many individuals in my generation do have the "me" mentality and don't really bother looking at the larger picture. It's rather disappointing to see, especially since I do put in an honest day's work and stay until the job is done.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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Most likely its a result of the educational system we have today. Everything is a disability to be accomodated, everyone has an IEP. If a kid is too tired to come in early, its called a sleep disorder, must be accomodated, can come in late, etc.............there's a diagnosis for everything, but kids go through school thinking the school is there to accomodate them, not them to get with the school.

Then you have young adults who think the world will constantly bend to whatever whine, after all, its how they were brought up!
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:11 PM
 
Location: My Private Island
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Most likely its a result of the educational system we have today. Everything is a disability to be accomodated, everyone has an IEP. If a kid is too tired to come in early, its called a sleep disorder, must be accomodated, can come in late, etc.............there's a diagnosis for everything, but kids go through school thinking the school is there to accomodate them, not them to get with the school.

Then you have young adults who think the world will constantly bend to whatever whine, after all, its how they were brought up!

I agree....I have always thought "ADD" was for ABSENCE OF DAMN DISCIPLINE!!
However, there are true medical conditions (allergies, etc) but come on, that one is thrown around WAY too much!
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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I've been floored by some new hires recently. I work for Big Oil and have seen new folks come in and ask if they can come in at a certain time, like 8:30, when the rest of the office gets in around 7. A guy mentioned that he would be too tired to meet with his friends in the evening if he had such early hours, because they often met later.

I think this computer generation doesnt like to read either...to used to hitting a few keys and staring at a monitor. This whole tailor the company/education to the individual mentality is quite disturbing.
When I did my first internship almost 20 years ago, it was at an oil company where the standard work day was 7am to 4:30pm. In college, I rarely woke up until 10am and struggled to get to work on time. I naively asked if I could just work from 9 to 5:30pm instead, as I was just too tired in the morning to concentrate.

Eventually I figured it out, shut up, drank coffee, and slogged through the work. You might want to cut them some slack until they figure it out. Because it's not like they teach you office etiquette in college, it's something they have to learn. If they don't, they aren't going to last very long.
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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When I did my first internship almost 20 years ago, it was at an oil company where the standard work day was 7am to 4:30pm. In college, I rarely woke up until 10am and struggled to get to work on time. I naively asked if I could just work from 9 to 5:30pm instead, as I was just too tired in the morning to concentrate.

Eventually I figured it out, shut up, drank coffee, and slogged through the work. You might want to cut them some slack until they figure it out. Because it's not like they teach you office etiquette in college, it's something they have to learn. If they don't, they aren't going to last very long.
I may expect that with an intern, but these folks have done a few of those already. But I hope your right...
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Why always blame younger people for this? I have seen this "entitled to flex time" attitude at all ages. As a matter of fact, in my last job, it was middle aged women getting away with this. Example:

Most people worked 5 days a week, regular hours either 8 to 4 or 9 to 5 or 9:30 to 5 or 10 to 6 in my department. Now wouldn't you think that is enough flexibility? Well it wasn't for two women.

Woman #1: Demanded to work 5 days a week from 7:15 am to 3:15 pm because 7:15 is exactly when the train got her to work in the morning! (God forbid she arrive early and not get paid for it!)

Woman #2: Finagled a way to work 4 days a week, Monday to Thursday by not taking lunch and working extra long on one day. I don't know how she got away with it. Even kids weren't an excuse because her kids were older.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:06 PM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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Abuse can only happen when someone allows the abuse and if employers are going to pussyfoot around caving in to the demands or wants of their employees then they'll have to suffer the consequences. I'm an employer (just a small one!) but I'm a stickler for punctuality and everything else. Be here when you're supposed to be here, do the job you're supposed to do and I'll be one of the best bosses you ever had. Screw up and you're out of the door.

And those damned cellphones - my pet peeve I think of all time! Never had a problem until the last few months when I had a young man working for me who was so attached to the damned thing it was like an umbilical cord. Despite every attempt to get him to turn the damned thing off while he was working, every fifteen minutes he'd be furiously texting on it when he could/should have been taking care of MY business (and thought I couldn't see him!) He had to return to the mainland and left my employ right before I was about to confiscate it for the duration of his shift (or go on a rampage and smash it to bits!)

I know there's often a big and heated forum debate when somebody brings up the subject of cellphones and iPods, etc. in the workplace. Some of the younger generation who think it's OK to have them and use them in the office can rest assured that many of us don't and those of us who feel that way and who are paying your wages are just going to sorely disappoint you and ignore your temper tantrums!

Vent over!!
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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FWIW, where I work we have flexible hours, of course it depends if you are working as part of a dedicated team of course you have to be there when the work starts, but I am pretty much addicted to flexible hours, it would take a huge raise for me to consider a place with fixed working hours.

That said when there is a plane to catch or a meeting to attend, I make it a point to be early.
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