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"BAGA - Be a Great American: Expose far-right lies daily"
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Originally Posted by modest
This just in: employers attempt to pay employees less than what they bring in for the business in order to profit off of them!
WHY AREN'T YOU OUTRAGED!!!
So what are you going to do about them paying less so they can make more profit? Huh? Tell us exactly how you're going to change the thousands of employers across this country.
I'm not outraged because getting angry wouldn't change squat. I'm not some emotional simpleton and puppet who people/media try to spin and wind up to get angry and emotional for self-destruction. Cut those damn puppet strings dude! Take a look at yourself, and think for yourself.
Might be a communication problem at the school, with not clearly explaining to students what they are learning. I never really heard much about AGILE or LEAN until several years into my career. Granted, I'm not in software development, but those philosophies can be used along all business lines. I'm currently in an accounting program that is very career-oriented, and they still drop the ball with teaching students about relevant business tools and topics. For instance, why doesn't a large component of the program consist of learning some of the relevant tools and systems you'll need to know how to use in the job? Why aren't we learning VBA? Advanced Excel? BI platforms like Tableau or Cognos? Data mining? All of these are prevalent and essential tools in decision-making business roles today. Yet, many programs don't touch on any of it.
The only reason I know this is because I spent the past 13 years in Corporate America. If not for that, I'd have no idea what I was missing out on.
I learned SCRUM in a class and we used it for research projects. AGILE and LEAN are relatively new to the software industry with it picking up in the 90s and having mass adoption in the early 2000s. But in other industries (largely manufacturing) LEAN dates back many more decades.
The reason why your program doesn't include VBA, Excel, Tableau, etc. is because you are likely in a college program rather than a job training program. Seek out professional training schools for this.
This just in: employers attempt to pay employees less than what they bring in for the business in order to profit off of them!
WHY AREN'T YOU OUTRAGED!!!
Well yeah, that's why capitalism is inherently exploitative.
In this case the more immediate problem is that companies are too short-sighted to train workers for the future. The whole economy can't operate on a churn and burn model even if that is attractive to individual companies. Tragedy of the labor market commons, or something.
Job title: Entry-Level Account Executive (AKA person who makes cold calls)
Job requirements:
* Must be a highly motivated team player
* Must be goal oriented with exceptional attention to detail
* Must be able to multitask between 3-17 different objectives
* Must have 5+ years experience in related field
* Must have bachelor's degree in Business Management
* Must be available to work weekdays, weekends, holidays, nights, 3rd shift, and on call.
* Must be willing to relocate
* Must go first 90 days without getting sick, having a family emergency, or anything that might indicate that you're a human being
* Health benefits are not available at this time
* Sick/personal days (which we get mad at you for using) will accrue at the rate of .0001 hours for every 37 full work days completed (taking a pee during work will negate entire work day)
* 15 minute break for lunch
* Pay Rate $12.50/hour
* .... Oh yeah, and you must have a positive attitude!
So what are you going to do about them paying less so they can make more profit? Huh? Tell us exactly how you're going to change the thousands of employers across this country.
I'm not outraged because getting angry wouldn't change squat. I'm not some emotional simpleton and puppet who people/media try to spin and wind up to get angry and emotional for self-destruction. Cut those damn puppet strings dude! Take a look at yourself, and think for yourself.
In this case the more immediate problem is that companies are too short-sighted to train workers for the future. The whole economy can't operate on a churn and burn model even if that is attractive to individual companies. Tragedy of the labor market commons, or something.
I don't disagree with that particular assessment. I think it's a bigger problem with larger organizations. Smaller orgs with tighter budgets don't have the fiscal flexibility to be so choosy. They have to take what they can get, and that often means someone with less experience or less education. If you want to work at Google, then expect the competition to be stiff. But if you're willing to consider lower pay at a smaller or midsize organization, you might find the leg up that you were looking for.
At the end of the day, if this is the path that most companies choose, then it will eventually catch up to them in the form of an inexperienced talent pool and high labor costs for the few that have experience. That's just basic economics.
As always, we can either spend out time consumed with looking around and seeing/finding/obsessing about what's wrong (with whatever, fill in the blank), or we can put all our time and attention in doing the best that we can with what we can control, and move forward.
The internet and this forum certainly has its share of the first group. Thankfully, some of the rest of us belong in the latter, healthier group.
At a certain point the only thing the youths can do is make noise. Because you have no experience to leverage at that age.
Many of you are clearly older and don't remember what it was like starting out. And even if you do remember - Times have changed. There simply are not enough living wage jobs for all the grads.
Unfortunately this is the status quo on here. A lot of these guys "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps" in the 80s/90s and (let's be generous here) early 00s.
But after 2008 in my opinion all bets were off. Everything capsized and unrealistic expectations began.
At the end of the day, if this is the path that most companies choose, then it will eventually catch up to them in the form of an inexperienced talent pool and high labor costs for the few that have experience. That's just basic economics.
The chickens have FINALLY come home to roost. After years of ignoring my requests to bring in new talent my F100 can now no longer get barely any qualified applicants for the openings we have now.
I find no solace in being right on this. I'm one foot out of the door anyway.
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