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Old 09-27-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Sorry but people not getting hired doesn't mean a broken system, they are simply bad at competition
There are not enough living wage jobs for everyone. When will we wake up and realize that.
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Old 09-27-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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Isn't this what people wanted?

In the 1960s, people cried over the biased screening of the secretaries reviewing the applications and blamed them for not getting the jobs.

1990s the HR department made changes to tests and other "screens" to be less biased... Against people cried because they didn't get hired

Now the companies moved onto AI to replace HR that people seem to hate...

Sorry but people not getting hired doesn't mean a broken system, they are simply bad at competition
They just program the bias into the AI.

They really think by the way your face moves they can tell something about you. Oh, he twitched to the left while answering that question, he isn't going to be a good employee, no hire. She blinked too many times, no hire.

AI and automated interviewing/hiring is going to make resume keyword search look like preschool.
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Old 09-28-2018, 06:29 AM
 
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Isn't this what people wanted?

In the 1960s, people cried over the biased screening of the secretaries reviewing the applications and blamed them for not getting the jobs.

1990s the HR department made changes to tests and other "screens" to be less biased... Against people cried because they didn't get hired

Now the companies moved onto AI to replace HR that people seem to hate...

Sorry but people not getting hired doesn't mean a broken system, they are simply bad at competition
The problem that comes to my mind is that there is no discernment. Can they program the AI to account for cultural differences? Can the AI adjust for someone who has a disability? What if someone has Bell's palsy or a similar condition? Will they be seen as a low performer? Do they have enough samples from a wide diversity of people, or are the facial expressions and mannerisms based off the small group of people who get these types of jobs whether or not they're the most qualified? Does that mean that people who have been historically discriminated against in certain industries won't be included?

The problem with HR software that searches for keywords is that it can be easily gamed. It also screens out highly-qualified people who do not meet inflexible specifications. I'm sure that people will eventually be able to act in a way that tricks the AI into believing they are high performers or have a certain personality. Interviews are all about sales. If you're a good actor or psychopath, you can fool anyone into believing you're the best pick for the job.

This might create some unexpected jobs, though. I predict that a new industry of AI interview coaches will form.
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Old 09-28-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Maine
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This really hits home. I went to a digital summit three days ago. One of the speakers was from the Department of Labor in our state. A major portion of his talk was in how AI and robots will be taking over a lot of routine tasks in the workplace by 2040. There was one portion of his presentation that mentioned this very topic: the use of AI in screening and interviewing candidates. One of the AI programs currently being tested is one that has a number of sensors directed at the candidate's face. The AI will ask the candidate a series of questions and would then measure the candidate's facial reactions, the pulse rate, the breathing, and the pupil dilation as the candidate answers. Kind of like an Orwellian lie detector test. The thing is, a lie detector is usually inadmissible in court.
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Old 09-28-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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We are basically headed toward living in the movie Terminator.
The 1990s movie Gattaca sprang to mind.
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Old 09-28-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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This is the creepiest technological development I've seen in a while. DeepSense, a company based in San Francisco and India, provides AI services to companies looking to hire. Their software scans applicants' social media accounts to predict personality traits. This is done with or without the applicant's knowledge.

HireVue assesses candidates' video interviews. Their algorithm compares tone of voice, micro facial expressions, and word clusters with people previously identified as being high performers.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/artific...eam-1537435820

Just hack in and give yourself a favorable rating
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Old 09-28-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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There are not enough living wage jobs for everyone. When will we wake up and realize that.
of course there are enough jobs... just like how there is enough scholarships and grants out there right now that everyone can attend college for free, there is no need for "free college". and just like the scholarships and how the money goes to the ones who know how to work the system, the people who knows how to work the jobs system get a living wage...

do you really think that everyone should get a living wage if they cant figure out how to get one for themselves? if all they want to do is hold out their hands, then they are at the beck and call to the other party and what do they do when they get cut off? not like they learned how to do anything else to support themselves but beg
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Old 09-28-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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This really hits home. I went to a digital summit three days ago. One of the speakers was from the Department of Labor in our state. A major portion of his talk was in how AI and robots will be taking over a lot of routine tasks in the workplace by 2040. There was one portion of his presentation that mentioned this very topic: the use of AI in screening and interviewing candidates. One of the AI programs currently being tested is one that has a number of sensors directed at the candidate's face. The AI will ask the candidate a series of questions and would then measure the candidate's facial reactions, the pulse rate, the breathing, and the pupil dilation as the candidate answers. Kind of like an Orwellian lie detector test. The thing is, a lie detector is usually inadmissible in court.

So that means sociopaths will still get right through the AI.

I have a problem with my eye and it twitches. I wonder what the AI will pick that up as.

As for the scanning of social media, that makes no sense. Much of it is fake, fake, fake. Yeah, you have the people who put all of their nonsense out there, but you'd have to be more worried about the ones who post all of the happy family photos and the next day murder their families. Does that mean you're screened out if you don't have social media?
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Old 09-28-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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Flawed technology. People curate their social media accounts. A computer cannot intuitively assess tone of voice and facial expressions because it has no context. This is stereotyping on steroids. FAIL!
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Very Orwellian. I'm afraid as technology moves forward that things like this will become more common and disqualify otherwise fine candidates.
i think thats kinda' the point. it will make widdling down hundreds/thousands of résumés down to one open position faster with the fringe benefit of feeling like you ended up with the best candidate.

its the same way that humans who are not experts on the particulars of the job requirements scan for keywords like '5 years mysql database experience' and thus will miss out out the person with '10 years of ms-sql database experience'. eventhough the sql language is 99 % transportable among mysql/microsoft-sql/postgresql/oracle-sql/... databases.

they will still llikely end up with someone who is mostly qualified without having to learn about the intricacies of the varying rdbms systems. ai will give us the same likelihood (and false certainty) that the best candidate has been calculated with a much faster speed.
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Old 09-28-2018, 05:56 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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HireVue assesses candidates' video interviews. Their algorithm compares tone of voice, micro facial expressions, and word clusters with people previously identified as being high performers.
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i feel like this will be the same as it is now. those who get nervous on job interviews will be screened out; and, those who are good b-s'ers will get hired.

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