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Old 09-24-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Listening and reading this NPR report was a real eye-opener. It's astonishing to read what's becoming of traditional 40Hr/Week jobs. It's equally astonishing to read that 40% of jobs are Part Time or Contract gigs. The worse part of this report states that 46% of Americans are unable to cover a $400 expense.

Provided this report is factual, now some things are starting to make sense.

I feel for you young people.

As Automation Eliminates Jobs, Tech Entrepreneurs Join Basic Income Movement : NPR
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:24 PM
 
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Most likely, not too many people would willingly admit that this is their predicament. But for those few willing to do so, it would be interesting to read about your experience, perceptions, and maybe even your solutions to this troubling truth.

One solution mentioned in the report is a gov't provided Basic Income. This sounds very Anti-American. However, is there a better alternative?
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:28 PM
 
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I don't think it's technology, though. Most of the people I know who got their hours cut from 40 or are being offered jobs that are less than 40 hours, it's usually due to Obamacare. If you work like 34 hours or less, you don't have to be offered health care.
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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I don't think it's technology, though. Most of the people I know who got their hours cut from 40 or are being offered jobs that are less than 40 hours, it's usually due to Obamacare. If you work like 34 hours or less, you don't have to be offered health care.
I'm trying to understand because it seems like I've been living in an insulated bubble for decades.

Are you saying that the greater number of PT jobs are a result of Obamacare? In face-to-face conversation about this topic with someone today, I was lead to believe the opposite. I was told that Obamacare was implemented precisely because many people happen to work PT jobs which disqualify them for health benefits.

Which came first, many PT jobs or Obamacare?
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I am a freelancer, but I make substantially more per hour than I would in an office. That's why I freelance. Yes, technology is what enables me to do so; I work from home almost exclusively. I don't think this trend has much to do with not being able to cover a $400 expense. I think that's an unrelated sign of the times. As is obamacare... As a freelancer, I'm glad to have health insurance available to me. I was freelancing before Obamacare; it just makes things easier for me and my family.
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Old 09-24-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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I'm trying to understand because it seems like I've been living in an insulated bubble for decades.

Are you saying that the greater number of PT jobs are a result of Obamacare? In face-to-face conversation about this topic with someone today, I was lead to believe the opposite. I was told that Obamacare was implemented precisely because many people happen to work PT jobs which disqualify them for health benefits.

Which came first, many PT jobs or Obamacare?
I don't know how many PT jobs there before Obamacare, but Obamacare turned 40 hour a week jobs into 34, or less, hour a week jobs. Obamacare made things worse.
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Old 09-24-2016, 08:17 PM
 
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Listening and reading this NPR report was a real eye-opener. It's astonishing to read what's becoming of traditional 40Hr/Week jobs. It's equally astonishing to read that 40% of jobs are Part Time or Contract gigs. The worse part of this report states that 46% of Americans are unable to cover a $400 expense.

Provided this report is factual, now some things are starting to make sense.

I feel for you young people.

As Automation Eliminates Jobs, Tech Entrepreneurs Join Basic Income Movement : NPR
Obamacare and Technology, an unholy alliance if you are not a tech millionaire/billionaire.

In San Francisco, I have never seen so much homelessness in the last 3 or 4 years. Not the usual druggie types either or those with mental problems, now it is displaced tech workers or just those working people who lost their jobs and no place else to go.

In Golden Gate park, the DPW there now have cut back so much vegetation , the place is beginning to look very bare, as a means of elimination hiding places or sleeping areas for the homeless in the park. Almost like a non stop battle between the park police and homeless now.

I am by no means old, but I would love to have been a baby boomer. Just seemed better back then. Even after the War and uncertainty attached in building a nation. Now is just a different type of place and person along with it.
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Old 09-24-2016, 08:37 PM
 
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Most likely, not too many people would willingly admit that this is their predicament. But for those few willing to do so, it would be interesting to read about your experience, perceptions, and maybe even your solutions to this troubling truth.

One solution mentioned in the report is a gov't provided Basic Income. This sounds very Anti-American. However, is there a better alternative?
I never hear any of the presidential candidates addressing this issue. It's like they're stuck in the 1970s, saying they will bring all these jobs back. Sorry, but these jobs are not even going to Chinese slave laborers, but have been automated altogether...
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:32 PM
 
Location: NYC
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We haven't hit a recession yet so most companies are just keeping basic workers around and not major layoffs yet. Any company 2000+ have automation in place that a good 20-25% of the workers are just producing no measurable work. People who do workflow, accepting orders and processing them are unnecessary. These are jobs created so a company can maintain their size in order receive government tax breaks that they've got the checkboxes covered.

In a recession when firms have to slash payroll, then all these useless workers will have to be let go and automation will need to be in full use to cover work.

With the immigration problem and automation, middle class people who can't compete will be left out and eventually pitchforks will be out side of government buildings and even at houses of the rich if nothing is done.
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:49 PM
 
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I'm trying to understand because it seems like I've been living in an insulated bubble for decades.

Are you saying that the greater number of PT jobs are a result of Obamacare? In face-to-face conversation about this topic with someone today, I was lead to believe the opposite. I was told that Obamacare was implemented precisely because many people happen to work PT jobs which disqualify them for health benefits.

Which came first, many PT jobs or Obamacare?
From loads of posts I've read on the matter, it seems that things were already headed that way with hours and other things, but Obamacare just sped it up a lot.
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