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It's the toga and the laurel wreath you're wearing.
My industry and specialty are small enough that I can't afford to burn bridges. I don't think there are many people who would assassinate me in a backdoor reference check.
Most HR managers have instructed most hiring managers that they can't say anything resembling what you say this guy told you. That's just opening the company up to lawsuits if the applicant's story of events is different from what the hiring manager is telling you. There are certainly backdoor reference checks you can do like what GeoffD has mentioned to see if what the hiring manager said is true, but the front door really shouldn't be that open for you to hear things like that.
I used to work in a regulatory position for licensed professionals. I remember I had one person who had a HM so vindictive that he reported this woman to us and fired her. He later on wrote us again from his NEW position to reiterate how awful she was. However, she had letters from other coworkers saying that what the HM was saying was entirely false and that none of what he said happened was actually true. The fact that he was no longer at the original employer seemed to support that, but relying only on what the HM says when he says something that strongly is suspect.
If I were to hear something like that from a hiring manager, I would want to do a backdoor reference check to try to get a better idea of what happened and see about the culture of the workplace in question.
Most HR managers have instructed most hiring managers that they can't say anything resembling what you say this guy told you. That's just opening the company up to lawsuits if the applicant's story of events is different from what the hiring manager is telling you. There are certainly backdoor reference checks you can do like what GeoffD has mentioned to see if what the hiring manager said is true, but the front door really shouldn't be that open for you to hear things like that.
And exactly what did I say the HR manager say that sounds off? The guy was our sub. He didn't like how he was treated by some of our people (I wasn't aware of this). He found another job closer to home. On his way out, he sent a nasty email to the people in my company he disliked. They showed the email to the hiring manager in my company. The hiring manager in my company made up his mind there and then that he wouldn't hire this guy in the future. Now 8 months later his new job didn't work out and that nasty email is preventing him from working in my company.
I don't know about your industry. I work in the construction engineering industry. We run into the same people over and over over the course of our career. This is why it's a bad idea to burn bridges.
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I used to work in a regulatory position for licensed professionals. I remember I had one person who had a HM so vindictive that he reported this woman to us and fired her. He later on wrote us again from his NEW position to reiterate how awful she was. However, she had letters from other coworkers saying that what the HM was saying was entirely false and that none of what he said happened was actually true. The fact that he was no longer at the original employer seemed to support that, but relying only on what the HM says when he says something that strongly is suspect.
If you had read my posts more carefully, you'd know that the situation you described here is entirely different than the situation I'm telling.
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If I were to hear something like that from a hiring manager, I would want to do a backdoor reference check to try to get a better idea of what happened and see about the culture of the workplace in question.
What's there to check? He admitted that he sent a nasty email to some people in my company when he got the job that he thought he would retire with. And I had to pry it out of him. All I got from the hiring manager was he pissed off some people and there's no way he would work here in the future.
There will come a time in your career when you can afford to burn bridges and you will relish that moment, I promise you.
OP, you are young an lucked into a job that you like and treats you well. I sincerely hope that it lasts a looooong time for you. But please understand the shift employee/employer relations have taken in the last decade, your job is the anomaly. Not the norm. When/if you have to suffer the new era of corporate disrespect and horror, you will have a little more tolerance toward the anti-management postings that get put on this forum
When you retire feel free to torch all bridges. Until then, be professional.
Yes.
The thing is, I didn't feel I acted unprofessionally when I told clients I had been bullied by the company.
I was simply being honest when clients asked me a question.
Why would the company think I would lie for them and cover for them, when they had basically chased me out? I don't think one needs to do that in order to be professional.
Haha, you have a good point, its kinda funny, "Suck it" lol, why would you want to go back to a place that you did that?
He was working for us as a sub. I'm sure if he comes back as full time things would be different.
*Sigh* can't bring him in now. I'm referencing him to some contacts of mine in other companies. Hopefully he's learned his lesson and keep his mouth shut this time around.
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