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I heartily enjoyed the spectacle when some middle-manager bureaucrat at JPL decided that random drug testing was going to be instituted.
The engineers - many of whom have more than a streak of hippie about them - declared, en bloc, that they weren't interested. They were fairly certain they'd have a very, very easy time finding other places interested in world-class aerospace talent and that JPL would probably have a correspondingly hard time finding people with decades of experience building and operating Mars Rovers.
Bluster, posture, veiled threats, and then JPL senior management realized that middle managers are easier to find than people building space probes.
Admittedly, I would have loved to read the book on how JPL engineers messed up drug tests.
I heartily enjoyed the spectacle when some middle-manager bureaucrat at JPL decided that random drug testing was going to be instituted.
The engineers - many of whom have more than a streak of hippie about them - declared, en bloc, that they weren't interested. They were fairly certain they'd have a very, very easy time finding other places interested in world-class aerospace talent and that JPL would probably have a correspondingly hard time finding people with decades of experience building and operating Mars Rovers.
Bluster, posture, veiled threats, and then JPL senior management realized that middle managers are easier to find than people building space probes.
Admittedly, I would have loved to read the book on how JPL engineers messed up drug tests.
I love it.
I'm a corporate drone myself (database/BI/ETL developer) so I pretty much have to bend over every time they tell me to.
I've been at my present job for 8.5 years. Had to have a urine drug test when I first started the job, and since then my name has come up 4 or 5 other times in a random call for re-testing. I'm a female, and it's not as easy for us ladies as it is for the men. I'm uncomfortable in the waiting room and hate having to pee in a cup. Also, the water to the bathroom sink at the lab (in a hospital) is turned off because you're not permitted to wash your hands right after going. Hand washing comes after you've met with the tech who labels the samples and has you sign stuff. Which means the door knobs are . I really hate that.
However, my name comes up less than once a year and it's a small price to pay for having a good job.
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1. Do they test your hands somehow? Otherwise it's hard to see the justification.
2. I disagree that it's a small price to pay. Simply put, it's none of their business what drugs you do when you're not at work unless it affects your work. Even then, what is their business is if you're doing your work right, not whether you're falling short of some Puritan's standard of acceptable conduct.
1. They don't want running water in the bathroom because they want to ensure that people don't dilute their specimens. Understandable to me. However, I wish they'd at least supply disinfectant wipes.
2. My company is an industrial and commercial general contractor. I can fully understand why my boss wants to ensure that tradespeople working at extremely dangerous jobs in the nearby steel mills and other facilities are not under the influence of any drugs which could slow their reaction times or impair their judgment in any way. The boss (owner & president) also has his name in the pool for random testing and he goes (no pun intended) when his name comes up in the random draw.
I love the company I work for and still feel that occasionally stepping out of my comfort zone to have a urine drug test is a small price to pay.
If an employer requires drug testing and an applicant does not want to be subjected to such tests, then the applicant has the choice to not accept the job and to look for an employer which does not require drug testing.
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I took one over 18 years ago. Nothing big. Nothing to hide. I don't smoke but now we test for Nicotine. We are a smoke free facility. Interesting thing is the test picks up second hand smoke. If you don't smoke but your SO does then you might not make it. Another factor is even the smell of smoke will cause you to not get hired or get time off from work after you are hired.
If you don't smoke but your SO does then you might not make it. Another factor is even the smell of smoke will cause you to not... get time off from work after you are hired.
I took a hair follicle test about a year ago. The worst part was sitting in the lobby for 2 hours waiting for someone who was trained to collect the sample. I was a little surprised when she told me that they needed 2" of length and a pencil thickness volume. I ended up having to give an armpit sample, as that was my only body hair that was long enough.
What's to dread since I don't do drugs? The only thing that sucked was I REALLY had to go to the bathroom and I had to wait because I wasn't sure I'd be able to go again when asked for the sample.
I had to complete the other testing anyway---like Hep B Antibody and PPD stuff. (Health care job.) I think they COULD do random drug screening but they don't seem to do it---they'd probably only do it if they suspected something was up. With over 50K employees, it's probably too much for them to keep up with regular random drug screening.
If we have that sort of trust issues from the word go, perhaps this isn't a good fit.
Would you like my credit card statements as well? My workplace and I are engaged in a professional relationship. As long as I don't directly counteract my employer's interest - for isnatce, go on social media and balst our latest product as being low quality and unsafe - I will be the judge of what expensive habits I will indulge in. And I rather like my privacy, even though I have nothing to hide apart from horrible taste in television series.
Depends on the job. If you go to work for a large bank, they will have an idea how much you owe on your credit cards. If you go to work for a defense contractor like Raytheon or General Dynamics they will as well. They may well have contacted your neighbors and old roommates depending on the job.
Depends on the job. If you go to work for a large bank, they will have an idea how much you owe on your credit cards. If you go to work for a defense contractor like Raytheon or General Dynamics they will as well. They may well have contacted your neighbors and old roommates depending on the job.
Same way with the insurance industry. Be ready to provide a full credit history, FBI background check, and past year W2s and Tax Returns.
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Hand washing comes after you've met with the tech who labels the samples and has you sign stuff. Which means the door knobs are 
