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That is what I am thinking but not sure yet. Truth is stranger than fiction.
It could be to create tension, drama etc. That is what some people seem to "enjoy" mental illness or not. Hard to trust these types.
It seems many govt. workers are quite delusional but there may be something true here with big bro maturing and all that nonsense. It takes a certain kind to do what many of them do.
Last edited by Know Nonsense; 07-23-2014 at 02:18 PM..
Care to elaborate? The last thing America needs is for its citizens and workers of it's government to be paranoid about being watched. I understand it may be happening for the safety of its people. Seems mostly "lefties" are the ones who paranoid about these things.
They're tapping everyone, not just those with security clearances; remember Edward Snowden? Never heard of anyone being harassed for having a clearance, though. Unless you count investigators asking snoopy questions of everyone you ever knew, which comes with the territory.
In the federal government, it takes an official criminal investigation by a law enforcement agency and a court order from a federal judge to get a "wiretap." I'm guessing there may be exceptions in high-security agencies like the NSA and CIA: they may play by their own rules, but they also usually don't prosecute people in court for what they find. They do it to safeguard intel, and that doesn't rise to the same level of requiring probable cause for a criminal investigation. They're also a VERY small percentage of the government.
As far as e-mail, when a government employee uses a government-owned computer, they give up all privacy rights. This is either via an annual computer-use agreement which they sign or via a login banner. That doesn't mean someone is always reading your mail. No agency has the time or resources to do that.
I have never met another government employee who has had their phone "tapped." If someone believes that this is being done to them (and they don't work in a heavily-armored room at the NSA), I would wager it's based more on paranoia than anything else.
In the federal government, it takes an official criminal investigation by a law enforcement agency and a court order from a federal judge to get a "wiretap." I'm guessing there may be exceptions in high-security agencies like the NSA and CIA: they may play by their own rules, but they also usually don't prosecute people in court for what they find. They do it to safeguard intel, and that doesn't rise to the same level of requiring probable cause for a criminal investigation. They're also a VERY small percentage of the government.
As far as e-mail, when a government employee uses a government-owned computer, they give up all privacy rights. This is either via an annual computer-use agreement which they sign or via a login banner. That doesn't mean someone is always reading your mail. No agency has the time or resources to do that.
I have never met another government employee who has had their phone "tapped." If someone believes that this is being done to them (and they don't work in a heavily-armored room at the NSA), I would wager it's based more on paranoia than anything else.
All this.
The reason they do background checks is so they don't have to constantly monitor everyone's every move. In most of the most highly secured areas, it's very easy to walk out with classfied information--they don't frisk you as you walk out the vault.
Note, I said "monitor." Obviously--to anyone who understands even the basics--whatever you do on a network is recorded and ultimately traceable. And they don't need a court order to record conversations in their own systems--they only need to warn you that the can and may.
If you give them a reason to start monitoring you, they can. But normally, that takes activity on your part, such as bragging to your workmates about a huge degree of ostentatious spending or a sudden serioiusly negative change in behavior. If you give them a reason to start checking, they check everything.
The "they have better stuff to do" narrative has consistently proven to be false basically every time its ever cited to explain away someone perceived to be 'paranoid'.
With 100% consistency, it will eventually be shown that while they may have had 'better stuff to be doing' in theory, they were nevertheless doing exactly what they were accused of doing in terms of surveiling people.
They're tapping everyone, not just those with security clearances; remember Edward Snowden? Never heard of anyone being harassed for having a clearance, though. Unless you count investigators asking snoopy questions of everyone you ever knew, which comes with the territory.
Just like how 9/11 changed the national security apparatus in every imaginable way, I think its a pretty safe bet that Snowden is responsible for radically changing internal policies of how they monitor people with security clearances. Its not something they're going to announce to the public but its something you can safely bet your childrens life on and not have to worry about being wrong.
It must be a total nightmare to be a part of that world.
What do you think about someone who has a security clearance who insists their phones are tapped and they are constantly being harassed for no reason? Have you known someone or experienced this? Eavesdropping, bugs, harassment, lack of privacy etc. Is this stuff real? Do they have nothing better to do to people that are harmless? Is it just paranoia?
I understand you may be hesitant to answer if you know something.
I think this person thinks they are way more important than what they really are. A security clearance is really no big deal at all, many, many people currently have, or had one before.
And no, no one spies on someone with a clearance just because they have a clearance, absolutely a ridiculous claim.
What do you think about someone who has a security clearance who insists their phones are tapped and they are constantly being harassed for no reason? Have you known someone or experienced this? Eavesdropping, bugs, harassment, lack of privacy etc. Is this stuff real? Do they have nothing better to do to people that are harmless? Is it just paranoia?
I understand you may be hesitant to answer if you know something.
Yes, it sounds like paranoia. Lots of people have a security clearance and it's really no big deal.
I don't get it. a person with a security clearance satisfied the govt with a background that was satisfactory, so why would someone harrass them? its not like the SC means one has money or something to hide
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