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Most firings are probably for political reasons, rather than inefficiency. It's politics, it always is...
I completely disagree. In fact, I would say that you have to seriously screw up to get fired - to the point of being a liability. The only people who get fired for cause are VP's, and even them get a free ride most of the time. No one gets fired anymore - it takes a year of documentation to do it anyway.
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Well, I have a background in HR and none of the firings I've been involved with were political. Then again I like to follow the law and the company handbook. I really have no desire to pay unemployment to those who don't deserve it, withhold it from those who do and I really have no time for a lawsuit for a wrongful termination.
And way to help with the OP's fear of firing.
If you have a good and well documented reason for terminating an employee, you should have no trouble with it. The people that get into trouble for it are bosses that just fire people on a whim- because they had a fight with their wife or something that morning or because they want to give your position to a more favoured employee or even a relative. So instead of firing you for cause, they try to find an excuse to fire somebody and when you have worked for perhaps years and years at a company and one day a boss- usually a new one- decides he wants to give your job to somebody else, the employee ought to sue the hell out of him. Despite what many people think, employment is not totally "at will"- especially with long term employees that are over 50 years old. At some point a court will find discrimination and/or a contract relationship exist.
I would wait to get fired and have the ability to collect unemployment insurance until I could find a new job. If you just quit because you were afraid you were going to get fired, then you are broke and unemployed. You are worse off.
I thought that if you are fired, you can't collect. You have to be laid off in order to collect unemployment, I think that's how it works here in massachusetts.
I thought that if you are fired, you can't collect. You have to be laid off in order to collect unemployment, I think that's how it works here in massachusetts.
Depends on each state's employment laws. In Texas you cannot collect unemployment if you've been fired for cause. It's the "cause" part, meaning violation of published and acknowledged rules, that keep you from collecting.
But in the case a PP gave of a cranky boss coming in after a fight with the wife telling someone randomly that they were fired - in Texas they could and should collect.
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I thought that if you are fired, you can't collect. You have to be laid off in order to collect unemployment, I think that's how it works here in massachusetts.
It is murky here in Georgia. If you are fired "for cause" you cannot collect but the term "for cause" can be interpreted many ways. For example, if you work at a desk and the boss comes in and says "hey you, go shovel the snow off the sidewalk" and you say "go to hell" and he fires you for "insubordination", he can argue the firing was for cause but he is probably going to lose because he ordered the employee to do something way outside the scope of their normal work. And the employee is going to argue that the task would have been a health and safety hazard or that you are simply physically unable to perform the task(I got a bad back as it is!) to them and that is why they refused it. And employees often win in cases like that.
I am fifty one and have been fired three times in my life which I guess could be worse. However now my fear is really getting debilitating, last job I quit cos they criticised me and I wanted out before they fired me. After the boss said it was a difficult job and he was NOT planning on firing me. At this point only God can help me, what will I do in a new job which I must find cos of finances etc
Don't give up. I share the same fears and had lost my job in 2003. I am 55 years old. It took three years of moving around to jobs that didn't suit me until I found one I was comfortable with. Keep applying to many places and going to interviews if you get calls (I did NOT get many calls). But I even went to interviews just for practice because I did not feel secure with myself or know how to do interviews very well. I takes a lot of time to learn what to do. Keep on going and things will start taking off. But keep on putting in applications over and over again. That's my advice. Finally someone called me and I prayed, too, that finally after 3 years of looking for the right job it would finally happen, and it finally did. Good luck.
When ever you get terminated, you have to sign a document which says the reason you were fired and when. If you dont agree with the reason then dont sign in. Simple as that.
I completely disagree. In fact, I would say that you have to seriously screw up to get fired - to the point of being a liability. The only people who get fired for cause are VP's, and even them get a free ride most of the time. No one gets fired anymore - it takes a year of documentation to do it anyway.
Umm...where are you from?
In an at will state, they don't need to document a thing to fire you. Talk to an employment attorney and I guarantee they will tell you that if an employer decided tomorrow they didn't like your sweater, they could fire you. Or fire you for no reason at all. That is what "at will" is...either party can end the employment at any time.
I know plenty of people, and myself included, who have been let go from jobs. Maybe you don't know people who have, but many places let people go before they can collect unemployment, so it happens quickly.
Being fired no longer means you weren't a good employee or competent, it means a lot of politics.
In an at will state, they don't need to document a thing to fire you. Talk to an employment attorney and I guarantee they will tell you that if an employer decided tomorrow they didn't like your sweater, they could fire you. Or fire you for no reason at all. That is what "at will" is...either party can end the employment at any time.
I know plenty of people, and myself included, who have been let go from jobs. Maybe you don't know people who have, but many places let people go before they can collect unemployment, so it happens quickly.
Being fired no longer means you weren't a good employee or competent, it means a lot of politics.
I agree twixcookie! This is why I got let go from my last job, PURE POLITICS. This goes on more and more these days. No one cares anymore if you do a great job. The employees they love are the slackers that know how to play the game. I speak from personal experience.
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