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Shanghai winters are more like London's. They are MUCH milder than winters in DC. The eastern US doesn't have winter means matching London until you get down to North Carolina.
I think Shanghai winters are too cold to be subtropical, personally. Shenzhen and Hong Kong are true subtropical climates.
I’ve done a bit of traveling – and just to be fair…your way off – winters in Shanghai are “nothing” like they are in London; Winters in London are very overcast, wet, cool, little sun, and often stormy….winters in Shanghai are quite sunny, dryish, periodically warm, and fairly stable (winter anticyclone/few storms).
In terms of the eastern USA…what you say is also a bit misleading as well; While winters mean temps match London one you reach Virginia Beach, Virginia (not North Carolina)…this is only because overnight lows are closer to daytime highs in London (January high/low is 46/36 F). In terms of average daily high temps however… places in Virginia or even southern Maryland actually have warmer daytime highs than London: For example both Richmond, Virginia and Salisbury, Maryland have warmer daytime highs than London in Dec –Feb. The same higher sunshine, less cloudy/stormy weather would be found in places like Virginia and southern Maryland compared to the UK in winter. Winters are much nicer in Virginia than anywhere in the UK.
I do agree that locations like Shanghai is a bit too cool to be considered “subtropical” - though they are located on the edge of the subtropical/temperate zone.
I’ve done a bit of traveling – and just to be fair…your way off – winters in Shanghai are “nothing” like they are in London; Winters in London are very overcast, wet, cool, little sun, and often stormy….winters in Shanghai are quite sunny, dryish, periodically warm, and fairly stable (winter anticyclone/few storms).
Salisbury, Maryland have warmer daytime highs than London in Dec –Feb.
Shanghai's winter temperatures are similar to London's (warmer in Dec and cooler in Jan and Feb). London's winters are also not very stormy at all. October-November are stormy, but winter is calm (the highest average air pressure is in Jan-Feb). In February Shanghai isn't that much sunnier than London, looking at percentages. Then London is sunnier in spring and summer. I thought it was impossible for oceanic climates to be sunny, and have sunnier months than 'subtropical' ones?
Salisbury has colder January highs than London.
Mean temperatures are still temperature averages, are they not? Ultimately, London is still warmer than Raleigh in Dec-Jan. I'd rather have a London winter than a Virginia one. Virginia winters get too cold.
For example both Richmond, Virginia and Salisbury, Maryland have warmer daytime highs than London in Dec –Feb. The same higher sunshine, less cloudy/stormy weather would be found in places like Virginia and southern Maryland compared to the UK in winter. Winters are much nicer in Virginia than anywhere in the UK.
That's just your own personal opinion though, it may be sunnier in Virginia, but daytime high temperatures are not that different to here in Portsmouth, but it the minimums are much colder. I'd rather have a Portsmouth winter than a Virginia winter on that basis
That's just your own personal opinion though, it may be sunnier in Virginia, but daytime high temperatures are not that different to here in Portsmouth, but it the minimums are much colder. I'd rather have a Portsmouth winter than a Virginia winter on that basis
But when you consider Virginia's stronger and more abundant sunshine, which makes it feel even warmer, it'd be hard to choose against it, for me at least. And I don't mind that Virginia's nights are slightly cooler, I'm outside during the day.
But when you consider Virginia's stronger and more abundant sunshine, which makes it feel even warmer, it'd be hard to choose against it, for me at least. And I don't mind that Virginia's nights are slightly cooler, I'm outside during the day.
Virginia's night are considerably cooler than here, the average low in Richmond in January is -2.1C, in Portsmouth it is 5.1C, that is several degrees colder. Also the record low in Richmond is -24C, Portsmouth is -8C... I would still much rather have the Portsmouth climate...
Virginia's night are considerably cooler than here, the average low in Richmond in January is -2.1C, in Portsmouth it is 5.1C, that is several degrees colder. Also the record low in Richmond is -24C, Portsmouth is -8C... I would still much rather have the Portsmouth climate...
Richmond is pretty far inland, and about 100 miles or so from the Atlantic. I think Virginia Beach would be the best comparison due to its coastal location, however it has no averages of its own, but Norfolk/Portsmouth is the next best thing I guess.
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I was comparing it to Richmond.
I had Portsmouth (VA) in mind, because like Portsmouth (UK), it's also coastal and they feature very similar average highs in the winter. Norfolk neighbors Portsmouth (VA).
In terms of averages a few degrees is a big deal too, if London's average summer highs were a few degrees higher people would consider the summers to be fairly hot, as opposed to 'cool' as many think they are...
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