If you refuse a Job offer and don't report it, does the Unemployment Office find out? (claim, record)

[Bchen2]

Lets say you got a job offer but you denied it/turn it down and you decide not to report the Job Refusal on your certify paper

How does Unemployment Insurance find out?

If you like never sign any papers or worked or anything?

Is there a way the UI Agency in California can find out if you refuse a job offer?

[Chyvan]

Originally Posted by Bchen2

How does Unemployment Insurance find out?

The company might know you're on unemployment. Not a stretch because of the gap in your work history. Then they use the "report fraud" link just to keep you honest about reporting the refusal.

A family member that thinks you're milking the system tattles on you.

Your current significant other that becomes your ex reports you.

A "friend" that is jealous you get to sleepin tattles on you.

The company might have jumped the gun on the New Hire Database, and it's already making it's way through the system even though you never worked there a day.

Originally Posted by Bchen2

If you like never sign any papers or worked or anything?

Doesn't matter. People TESTIFYING is evidence. There doesn't have to be documentary proof. If anything, you APPLIED, and there may be call records or a letter inviting you for an interview. There will be enough there that it's more likely than not that you did get an offer and are lying about it if you try to say you didn't.

The point is that you CAN be found out. Then again, maybe not, but you just never know. You'll lose sleep at night if anyone that knows stops being your friend or turns on you.

You are not required to accept ANY job. Only a SUITABLE one. The safest course of action is to try to determine if the job is UNsuitable, and if it's a pretty safe bet it is, then report the refusal, and go through the adjudication. You have lots of protection in a suitability determination, that you don't get if you take the job, hate it, and then try to quit after the fact. If it's a close call, then . . . . you're just going to have to decide what you can live with.

[Bchen2]

Originally Posted by Chyvan

The company might know you're on unemployment. Not a stretch because of the gap in your work history. Then they use the "report fraud" link just to keep you honest about reporting the refusal.

A family member that thinks you're milking the system tattles on you.

Your current significant other that becomes your ex reports you.

A "friend" that is jealous you get to sleepin tattles on you.

The company might have jumped the gun on the New Hire Database, and it's already making it's way through the system even though you never worked there a day.



Doesn't matter. People TESTIFYING is evidence. There doesn't have to be documentary proof. If anything, you APPLIED, and there may be call records or a letter inviting you for an interview. There will be enough there that it's more likely than not that you did get an offer and are lying about it if you try to say you didn't.

The point is that you CAN be found out. Then again, maybe not, but you just never know. You'll lose sleep at night if anyone that knows stops being your friend or turns on you.

You are not required to accept ANY job. Only a SUITABLE one. The safest course of action is to try to determine if the job is UNsuitable, and if it's a pretty safe bet it is, then report the refusal, and go through the adjudication. You have lots of protection in a suitability determination, that you don't get if you take the job, hate it, and then try to quit after the fact. If it's a close call, then . . . . you're just going to have to decide what you can live with.

But doesn't a job offer have to be in writing

Anyone can say anything no?

[Chyvan]

Originally Posted by Bchen2

But doesn't a job offer have to be in writing

You're dreaming. Do you think people that get offered work at McDonalds get letters? An offer can be verbal. It's a little more difficult to prove, but it can be done.

Look, we have people on here that get denied UI because a temp agency says, "the claimant never called us after the assignment ended," which may be true, but when the temp agency is the one that called the claimant to say, "don't go back there, and we don't have a new assignment for you," they knew dang well the claimant was available for another job. When the claimant gets denied because of this, a claimant has never lost an appeal when they walk into a hearing with phone records showing the date and time of the call with the temp agency even though there is nothing in writing as to the actual contents of the call. It just makes sense that there was a call on a date and at a time that coincided with the claimant filing a claim for UI benefits, and it disproves that the claimant had no contact, and the temp agency looks like the liars they are and any further testimony is discounted because there are now known credibility issues.

Originally Posted by Bchen2

Anyone can say anything no?

Yes, they can, but sometimes they have evidence that hints that what they say is true.

Plus, I thought of another one. The place that made the offer probably called the people that fired you for visiting family instead of working over time. Usually, an offer follows a reference check, and since the place that fired you is most likely eating the cost of your claim, they have a reason to use the "report fraud" link just to make sure that they can stop the bleeding.