Asking for help with UI question in Michigan

[Rabrrita]

Originally Posted by rainbird63

I told the UI when filing my claim that I had quit for the reason(s) stated above.

But did you tell unemployment the following?

Originally Posted by rainbird63

HR asked me if the employee was to be let go/ fired, would I reconsider my resignation? I stated to HR that no, it would not make a difference because I had lost face, reputation etc. with Supervisor already returning the employee I had let go to the work place. I also stated to HR that without Manager and Supervisor taking note of employees violations that the issue may reoccur and that I didn't feel safe and that my crew didn't feel safe working with named employee.

I doubt you have any chance to collect benefits because all your employer needs to do is inform unemployment that they attempted to find a solution but you were firm on quitting. You essentially did not allow your employer to fix the situation. There was absolutely no attempt on your part to preserve the employment.

You need to start asap looking for employment because I sure would not count oin unemployment benefits with that story.

[Chyvan]

Originally Posted by rainbird63

This caused a hostile, stressful work environment for the remaining crew and that I had approval from the Manager to dismiss the employee. The Supervisor had been on vacation and did not know the conditions as to why the employee had been dismissed.

These are conclusions. You have to be specific. The employee came back to work with her gun and started waiving it around now that she felt immune to termination.

Originally Posted by rainbird63

HR asked me if the employee was to be let go/ fired, would I reconsider my resignation? I stated to HR that no, it would not make a difference because I had lost face, reputation etc. with Supervisor already returning the employee I had let go to the work place. I also stated to HR that without Manager and Supervisor taking note of employees violations that the issue may reoccur and that I didn't feel safe and that my crew didn't feel safe working with named employee.

HR was trying to do something, and you poopooed them.

To me, this sounds like inharminous relations with a fellow employee and this is what my state has to say about it:

4. Before good cause or a compelling personal reason for leaving can be established, a worker must have attempted to adjust his grievance prior to leaving unless such an attempt was not feasible

C. Fellow employee (V L 515.4)
1. A worker who leaves because of inharmonious relations with a fellow employee leaves with good cause if he is established that the conditions were so unpleasant that remaining at work would create an intolerable work situation for him.
2. In determining whether a situation is intolerable, the following factors should be considered:
a. Would continued employment create a severe nervous strain or result in a physical altercation with the other employee?
b. Was the worker subjected to extreme verbal abuse or profanity? The importance of profane language as an adverse working condition varies in different types of work.
3. A physical attack by a fellow-employee would be good cause for leaving if the claimant was clearly not at fault, unless the employer had taken reasonable steps to avoid a recurrence.

This is from CA http://www.edd.ca.gov/uibdg/Voluntar...sandManagement so assuming MI even recognizes this type of quit, most of these things are losers without some real meat behind the complaint of the coworker.

Nothing you have said is specific enough and you have to prove it. You can't just go to these hearings as a quitter and make a lot of statements unless it is supported with something because if your employer is working against you, they are probably going to have a different take on the matter because it's already been established that this employee had no documented problems so you can't even subpoena anything.

Since you're in MI, did you sign up for an advocate? If not, do it. They are free, and we've had a few posters on here that used them and from their reports, those advocates know their stuff. You might not want to get into the details with us, but an advocate that you can be open with can be a lot more help to you than we can.

[Ariadne22]

Originally Posted by rainbird63
HR asked me if the employee was to be let go/ fired, would I reconsider my resignation? I stated to HR that no, it would not make a difference because I had lost face, reputation etc. with Supervisor already returning the employee I had let go to the work place. I also stated to HR that without Manager and Supervisor taking note of employees violations that the issue may reoccur and that I didn't feel safe and that my crew didn't feel safe working with named employee.

So, even if employer would now fire - again - that employee, you would not have stayed - because you were unhappy with management's failure to consistently document employee violations and did not trust them to do so going forward.

In other words, there is nothing that employer could do to adjust your grievance.

Ergo, this is an employer you do not wish to work for.

You don't have grounds for a quit here.

[rainbird63]

I want to thank you all for taking time reading my post(s). I appreciate your knowledge, suggestions and insight. I have requested an advocate to see if they might assist me sorting out all details to see if I have possibly overlooked anything. I know now that it is unlikely to rule in my favor. I'll post final results.
One final question please: How do I list this employer on my future employment applications/resume/interviews? Do I go into detail of reason for quitting when asked? I have been listing employer on applications, but haven't needed to go into detail yet. Learning bump, yes, but ready now to look to the future and move forward. Even though it was a quit, it needed to be a quit. Just too bad that I didn't secure employment beforehand.
You have renewed my faith that there are good people still out there. Truly appreciate it.