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Old 10-07-2012, 10:56 AM
 
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by a debt collector while collecting UE benefits. I'm being sued for a debt of 4k that I stopped making payments about 1.5 years ago. I haven't had employment in about a year and currently receiving UE benefits totalling 200.00 per month. I have other 2 Credit Cards that I haven't used in 1.5 years and havent made the minimum payment that have been sent to collections. I'm still struggling to find a job and my tier 4 Extended benefits are going to run out in a couple of weeks.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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by a debt collector while collecting UE benefits. I'm being sued for a debt of 4k that I stopped making payments about 1.5 years ago. I haven't had employment in about a year and currently receiving UE benefits totalling 200.00 per month. I have other 2 Credit Cards that I haven't used in 1.5 years and havent made the minimum payment that have been sent to collections. I'm still struggling to find a job and my tier 4 Extended benefits are going to run out in a couple of weeks.
If your state is no longer paying EB and your Tier 4 benefits are about to run out, it probably doesn't matter if this creditor succeeds in getting judgment against you. There will be no income to attach.

You should probably consider bankruptcy protection, however. It stops all collection efforts and ability of this particular creditor to file a judgment. See an attorney.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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I thought UE benefits are exempted from garnishment in California.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:42 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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by a debt collector while collecting UE benefits. I'm being sued for a debt of 4k that I stopped making payments about 1.5 years ago. I haven't had employment in about a year and currently receiving UE benefits totalling 200.00 per month. I have other 2 Credit Cards that I haven't used in 1.5 years and havent made the minimum payment that have been sent to collections. I'm still struggling to find a job and my tier 4 Extended benefits are going to run out in a couple of weeks.
I want to know how you have been surviving on $200 a month. Please share your secrets for all the other people on unemployment!

20yrsinBranson
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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Well I was fired from my temp job last September after that I applied for Unemployment Benefits. My weekly unemployment benefits came to 177.00 a week. After I exhausted those benefits I was put on extended benefits. But I was reverted to an old 2009 UE claim and my extended benefits came to $50.00 a week. Now how am I surviving you ask, well I live with Mom currently. What that money is used is basically for Gasoline, food, car insurance, 2 small credit cards i'm still current on. I been doing some Yard work whenever available for cash, while still looking for work.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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Well I was fired from my temp job last September after that I applied for Unemployment Benefits. My weekly unemployment benefits came to 177.00 a week. After I exhausted those benefits I was put on extended benefits. But I was reverted to an old 2009 UE claim and my extended benefits came to $50.00 a week. Now how am I surviving you ask, well I live with Mom currently. What that money is used is basically for Gasoline, food, car insurance, 2 small credit cards i'm still current on. I been doing some Yard work whenever available for cash, while still looking for work.
Well, it sounds like you are doing the best you can. To address the OP, I would certainly talk with the bill collectors and try to arrange to send them *something* every month (even if it is only $5), to keep them from suing you. You can renew a judgment for 10 years. You might get a job in a couple of years and they will slap a garnishment on it for the full amount *plus* attorneys fees/court costs *and* interest. You could wind up paying $10,000 on a $1,000 balance. Not only that, but employers do not think kindly of employees who have garnishments and it could hurt your job.

If you strike any deals with the bill collectors, be sure to get EVERYTHING in writing or else they can say the agreement never existed.

Good luck.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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Usually a creditor will be cooperative about small payments until you get back on your feet, but once it goes to collections it may be too late. The balance is sold to a collections company that uses attorneys to collect. If the amount is enough they will go ahead and ask the court to issue a judgement against you. Your only chance to win that is if you prove you don't owe the money, being unemployed is not a factor. If there is no account or paycheck to garnish, they can order any other assets you have to be sold, such as a car or furniture. If you have absolutely nothing of value, the judgement lasts 10 years so once you do have income they will get some of it until the debt is paid off. Talk to a lawyer about bankruptcy.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:44 PM
 
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Usually a creditor will be cooperative about small payments until you get back on your feet, but once it goes to collections it may be too late. The balance is sold to a collections company that uses attorneys to collect. If the amount is enough they will go ahead and ask the court to issue a judgement against you. Your only chance to win that is if you prove you don't owe the money, being unemployed is not a factor. If there is no account or paycheck to garnish, they can order any other assets you have to be sold, such as a car or furniture. If you have absolutely nothing of value, the judgement lasts 10 years so once you do have income they will get some of it until the debt is paid off. Talk to a lawyer about bankruptcy.
Yup. I suggested that upthread. You will be in a world of hurt if you just let this go. Unless you plan to live off the grid all your life.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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I believe its illegal for anyone to garnishee unemployment food stamps disability or whatnot. However, you might consider chapter 7 banko .

I can help you with it. I have a lot of experience with these matters. You do not have the money to pay an attorney to go banko and you dont need one really.

Going banko will get rid of all your debts and reset your credit. Within 2 years your credit score will be up over 600 and you will have several offers of new credit. Creditors love offering credit to those discharged from banko because you cant banko again for 7 more years. Its a safer bet for them.

The bankruptcy stays on for up to 10 years but only on your credit for 7 years. I would do it now. If you wait until you have a full time job, they might force you into a chapter 13 which in my opinion for most people is the biggest waste of time I have ever witnessed.

Chapter 13 is for people with TONS of assets. In your case, go get the paperwork yourself to file chapter 7. I assume you have no major 401ks or gold bars lying around the house.

I can walk you through filing the paperwork if you wish.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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by a debt collector while collecting UE benefits. I'm being sued for a debt of 4k that I stopped making payments about 1.5 years ago. I haven't had employment in about a year and currently receiving UE benefits totalling 200.00 per month. I have other 2 Credit Cards that I haven't used in 1.5 years and havent made the minimum payment that have been sent to collections. I'm still struggling to find a job and my tier 4 Extended benefits are going to run out in a couple of weeks.
Fight to avoid the judgment which will come within approximately three months of the debt buyer filing suit. Debt collectors actually expect you not to fight and seldom can defend their lawsuits because they lack the proper assignment documents that prove they own the debt. Well over ninety-five percent of all lawsuits that debt buyers file end in "default judgments" which means the debtor failed to file an answer to their complaint with the courts. Most people who respond to junk debt buyers lawsuits have a good chance of having their cases dismissed without prejudice (means it can be refiled.)-not so if the original creditor sues you.

The first thing you need to do is file an answer to their Complaint within thirty calendar days with your county's Superior Court website where you can also track your case.
If you can't afford the filing fee, you can get a fee waiver. With your income you will more than qualify without much effort.

You have to serve your answer on the junk debt buyer (via their lawyers) before you file your answer with the courts which means you simply have someone over 18 years old, not a party to the suit, drop the answer in the mail (along with a copy of the proof of service form). "Proof of Service Form-POS-030" which you can find on your courts website or here: Browse All Forms. You attach the original of that Proof of Service to your answer and then file.

Most debt buyers here in Cali do not verify their complaints nor do they attach any documents to (a) prove they bought your debt or (b) the amount of damages claimed was accurately calculated according to the terms and conditions of a contract (which they don't have.) Note: California allows them to file without documentation but they eventually must prove their claims in the end.

They tend to claim Common Counts: Open-Book and Account-Stated Claims both of which are bogus claims. They do this because they have no contract with you and can't prove the terms and conditions of (1) the sale of your account to them by the original creditor and (2) the contract terms agreed upon between you and the original creditor. So they draw on common law to do an end run and to try and get a judgment.

In short it means they are not the original creditor; they bought your debt on the cheap (literally pennies on the dollar) without any guarantees concerning the accuracy of the amount owed to the original creditor or the collectibility of the account sold (The account bought just might be beyond the statute of limitations to even file a lawsuit).

Open-Book Account means a new account in the amount agreed to between you and the debt buyer (hard for them to prove) and Account-Stated means an agreement between you and the debt buyer that the amount to collected is accurate (again hard to prove.) They do this again because they really have no contract to enforce and use your silence to their dunning letters and intent to sue letters as admission of liability-that's why the account-stated and open book claims. However, the FDCPA 15 U.S.C section 803(c) specifically warns the courts that the consumers silence to these letters does not create a liability with the debt buyer. Actually you have no duty to dispute the debt. The debt buyer though has duty, if you dispute, to validate your debt according to the Truth In Lending Act, Section 1666 (e) within x number of days. But the debtor has no duty-period. The debt buyer though banks on your ignorance of the law to manipulate you into paying them what they claim they are owed-without usually any substantive evidence.

Anyway, you will know that the complaint is verified because somewhere on the complaint it will say so. If the complaint is unverified then you can file a general denial and to protect yourself from them trying for a summary judgment (means there are no issues that need to be resolved in court) list a couple "affirmative defenses" such as "Lack of Privity" (means they don't have a contract to prove debt ownership) and "Not the Real Party of Interest."

You can find the California Judicial form on your local superior court website or here:Browse All Forms You can also find out how to defend yourself at this forum: Credit and Debt Problems Forums - Powered by vBulletin. Check out the thread "Is there a lawyer in the house."

Worst case scenario they obtain a judgment and either try and attach your non-exempt income or put a lien on your property (but they can not force you to sell your home here in California if you have no equity or the equity you have is less than at least $50,000-homestead exemption). But this doesn't happen over-night. You will get a memorandum in the mail from the courts to show up for a hearing so they can find out what assets you have.

If you have non-exempt income, then they can attach only 25% of your gross. Exempt income includes UI benefits, social security, retirement, workman's comp etc. Other exempt assets include up to X dollars in your checking accounts-more if you have direct deposit of exempt income. You can also file a request to stop the judgment from being enforced if you need all of your income to exist. There is a form you fill out for that too. Check this web-site out: Stop or Reduce Wage Garnishment.
You can exempt one car whose value is less than $2,300. Here are two sites to check out for exemptions here in Cali: http://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/ej155.pdf; CA Codes (ccp:704.010-704.210)

If you decide to fight the lawsuit pro se (by yourself) the forum I listed above is a great source of information and posters are very helpful. Make sure you show up for all court hearings including voluntary mediation sessions if ordered. It takes almost about eight months to go to trial and most trials are bench trials. Again don't worry about the costs. A fee waiver will cover almost everything-except lawyer fees if you go that route. However, if you win the case, then you can recoup your out-of-pocket fees (like lawyer fees). Winning can also mean that the debt buyer dismisses the case without prejudice.

Long story short, if you have the time you have a fairly good chance of having the debt buyer dismiss the case, usually right before trial, because they buy your debt for literally pennies on the dollars (Your $1,500 debt cost them $15.) and they do not want to spend anything more than they have to obtain a judgment and that includes going to court where they have to bring in a custodian of records from the original creditor to testify that the debt was accurately calculated according to the terms and conditions of a contract with the original creditor.

Debt buyers (JDB) file literally thousands of cases a month throughout the United States and rarely have their judgments satisfied. They bank on you not wanting to go to trial and use the courts to strong-arm you into paying them even though they know they probably won't win if you do fight. You need to do your home-work and stay on-top of things.



Good Luck!

Carol-Lynn

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