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Old 09-14-2009, 03:32 PM
 
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Well what would you say about OKC and Tulsa (sharing) a Franchise
pretty must like Kansas City and Omaha with the Kansas Kings (NBA)
That would be ok but I still thing OKC should be the used to lure anything here since it already has a background with major league sports and a larger population. But, as Ive said before, OKC and Tulsa are so close to each other it doesnt really matter who gets what cause you can make the short drive to either and enjoy it.
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Old 10-17-2009, 09:07 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Default The Phoenix NHL Team Is Safe For Now..................

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That would be ok but I still thing OKC should be the used to lure anything here since it already has a background with major league sports and a larger population. But, as Ive said before, OKC and Tulsa are so close to each other it doesnt really matter who gets what cause you can make the short drive to either and enjoy it.
The Phoenix NHL team is safe for now , but Tulsa should keep a eye
on the team for the next two years and see if their's economic problems
become worst or if they pull themselve out of the hole that they find
themselves in at the moment.
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:02 PM
 
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Default The Phoenix Coyotes Was Sold To The NHL On Nov 3Rd 2009...

The NHL Team Phoenix Coyotes was offically sold to the NHL on Nov 3rd
2009 and the NHL has plans to sell the team to a ownership group that
will keep the team in the Phoenix Metropolitan area.

Phoenix Coyotes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:11 PM
 
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I personally would LOVE to see professional soccer return. FYI, last I heard, Victor Moreland, Alex Skotarek, Billy Caskey still live in the Tulsa area.

I can imagine a time, after the 'newness' of having an NBA team wears off, where the OKC Thunder will come begging for Tulsans to purchase tickets. The same Tulsans they alienated by choosing not to name the team Oklahoma Thunder.

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Old 12-29-2009, 08:25 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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I personally would LOVE to see professional soccer return. FYI, last I heard, Victor Moreland, Alex Skotarek, Billy Caskey still live in the Tulsa area.

I can imagine a time, after the 'newness' of having an NBA team wears off, where the OKC Thunder will come begging for Tulsans to purchase tickets. The same Tulsans they alienated by choosing not to name the team Oklahoma Thunder.
Major League Soccer were begging Tulsa at one time to
adapt Chapman (TU) Staduim into a soccer friendly staduim ,
but Tulsa gave the MLS a cold shoulder , and it's probably
going to be hard for Tulsa to get back into the good graces
of the MLS.That may come to pass , or OKC could transform
into a good solid one horse town like Sacramento CA out here
has. Now if ticket sells fall off the OKC Thunder might schedule
3 or 4 Home Games at the BOK Center to boost ticket sells ,
that would give Tulsa both NBA and WNBA action.

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Old 12-30-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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Utter BS right back at you.

The NHL has never been serious about placing a team in Tulsa.

Your NHL story was a pipedream created by Bob Funk/Express Sports back in 2007 saying he'd give the NHL Tulsa's business card.... which barely registered a blip on the NHL's radar; no expansion proposal was ever taken seriously outside of one Tulsa World article....

Express Sports tries to bring NHL to Tulsa?

OKC in the NHL? Yes. The Blazers have always drawn alot more fans per game than the Ice Oilers. I always thought OKC would get the NHL and not the NBA.... then came Hurricane Katrina....

Tulsa? No. Never. Not any serious consideration for the NHL.
Never... since 1928.

Pro football has always been king in Tulsa and in the state.... yet the Oklahoma Outlaws of the USFL lasted just one season in Tulsa (1984) and averaged 21k for 9 home games before moving to Arizona in 1985....

Tulsa was to the North American Soccer League in the late 70s/early 80s what OKC is now to the NBA..... a very small market that is successful because it is the only high level pro game in town. The Tulsa Roughnecks twice had crowds of over 30k to watch games against the New York Cosmos.... they had many games where they drew between 20k and 30k... and one season (1980) in which they were drawing an average of 20k fans per game.

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The NASL's owners overspent on aging stars and it is argued that the league overexpanded; Gulf & Western owned big stakes in several teams, and when the 70s oil boom turned into 80s oil bust-- eventually giving way to the OKC Penn Square Bank debacle--- the league shrunk from 24 teams in 1980 to 21 teams in 1981, to 14 teams in 1982, 12 teams in 1983, and down to 9 teams in 1984....

Over 12,000 Tulsans donated around $60,000 (tip of the hat to KRMG) to help the team make payroll in Nov/Dec 1983.... no other group of fans has ever come to the rescue of a pro soccer team in this fashion.... there was even talk of a Green Bay Packers-style public stock offering before Tulsa Cable/United Cable Television Corp bought the Roughnecks in 1984..... the league died after the '84 season, but with another new set of owners, the Roughnecks played half an exhibition season in 1985 at Driller Park, after the league had already died (IOW, if the NASL had existed in 1985 with a handful of teams, Tulsa would still have been there).

So, pro soccer didn't fail in Tulsa; the league literally imploded around us.

In 1994, Tulsa was a finalist for the original 10-team MLS-- we had more season ticket deposits than Seattle, Portland and most other bigger cities, but less than Tampa.... in 1996, the first MLS weekly highlights shows on ESPN were filmed at Winnercomm studios in Tulsa. Lamar Hunt and MLS officials came to Tulsa in 2002 to try to sell the city/mayor LaFortune on building a stadium for MLS. A feasability study requested by MLS and conducted by Conventions, Sports & Leisure came to the conclusion that the city could expect an average of 14,600 fans per game for MLS in Tulsa; the same study for Johnson County (KC) anticipated 12,000 fans per game could be expected for a team playing there....



^^^14,000 fans showed for the April 2003 Dallas vs. KC Major League Soccer exhibition game at Skelly Stadium, 3,500 of those fans gave checking/credit card info for season tickets and Tulsa eventually had 5,000 fans sign up for season tix..... the soccer stadium didn't make Vision2025, so the Ice Oilers and Talons were gifted with a brand new sales tax funded state of the art facility, leaving local soccer boosters out in the cold...

But that still wasn't the end of the story..... in the summer of 2005, Global Equity Partners had purchased DC United for $27mil and were in talks with LaFortune to use a TIF district to finance a mixed use condo/retail/stadium project in the East Village (East End) area of downtown...

Tulsa World: City may net soccer team

Tulsa World: Proposed soccer venue reflects nationwide development trend

In the end, Lamar Hunt found strong local ownership for the Kansas City Wizards (OnGoal LLC) rather than sell to the Tulsa group, and Global Equity Partners ended up not having the capital MLS originally thought they had-- they ended up not buying DC United after all; so AEG (Anschutz Entertainment Group) went back to owning the team until the current local ownership group was put in place....

Where was the state in this process?...... LaFortune's office tried in 2003/2004 to lobby the state for an "enterprise zone" but was turned down.

Typical.
howest2008...The NHL rejected both Tulsa and Oklahoma City as
a possible location for a NHL team thumbs down , however both
the cities of Houston and Kansas City did catch the eye of the
NHL and will probably be the next markets pegged for expansion
however the MLS jumped through all kinds of hoops for Tulsa OK
"when it was (weak) and struggling" pursued Tulsa with a passion.
Tulsa won't get another chance to reject MLS because bigger more powerful cities are pursuing MLS for their's cities and stepping up to the plate and building "Soccer Only Stadiums". If you are from Tulsa and want a MLS team it won't happen until somewhere between 2015 & 2020.
and NHL won't come before 2020 at the earliest.
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