Uptown Dallas vs. Uptown Houston

[bu2]

Originally Posted by atadytic19

Uptown Houston has developed into such a beast.
Zoom in to see how long the skyline at the top extends:

https://imgur.io/NSo4Yt9

It isn't really the same type of development as Uptown Dallas.

Well in the early 80s the Uptown/Galleria area was the 12th largest central business district in the country. Haven't built a lot of office space there since then with most of the new high rises being condos or hotels, but I'm sure its still top 20.

Uptown/Galleria is NOT suburban. It is the classic Edge City.

[Norman54]

Originally Posted by bu2

Well in the early 80s the Uptown/Galleria area was the 12th largest central business district in the country. Haven't built a lot of office space there since then with most of the new high rises being condos or hotels, but I'm sure its still top 20.

Uptown/Galleria is NOT suburban. It is the classic Edge City.

Would you compare it to Addison, Texas? Addison is supposed to balloon to over 100,000 in the daytime and shrink to 16,000 at night. It is home to 11 million square feet of office space, 170 restaurants, and 4000 hotel rooms in 22 hotels. It got built up along Belt Line Road which is the Dallas version of 1960 in Houston.
It doesn't have any tall buildings because it is built up right next to Addison Airport. There are some twenty story buildings down the freeway near the Galleria Dallas, but those are located in Dallas and Farmers Branch.Is this what you mean by edge city?

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by bu2

Well in the early 80s the Uptown/Galleria area was the 12th largest central business district in the country. Haven't built a lot of office space there since then with most of the new high rises being condos or hotels, but I'm sure its still top 20.

Uptown/Galleria is NOT suburban. It is the classic Edge City.

Of course Uptown Houston isn't "suburban" in the traditional sense. Since it started as traditional suburbia, it still has more of a suburban build than of a urban neighborhood like Uptown Dallas. Uptown Dallas started with new urbanist development from the beginning. That's why I mentioned Preston Center as a reasonable comparison in terms of how those areas naturally evolved. For Example: Preston Center started off as a 50s shopping center anchored by what was the largest suburban department store in America (Sanger-Harris) and the first suburban Neiman-Marcus. Preston Center really reminds me of the Uptown Houston area but with a much, much smaller area (about 103 acres). I guess you can call Preston Center an edge city too. It meets the qualifications for one. Also, they both happen to be located on the original loops of both cities too -- 610 and Loop 12 (Northwest Hwy).

From Wikipeida

In 1991, Garreau established five rules for a place to be considered an edge city:

Has five million or more square feet (465,000 m²) of leasable office space
Has 600,000 square feet (56,000 m²) or more of leasable retail space
Has more jobs than bedrooms
Is perceived by the population as one place
Was nothing like a "city" as recently as 30 years ago. Then it was just bedrooms, if not cow pastures."

[Norman54]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

Of course Uptown Houston isn't "suburban" in the traditional sense. Since it started as traditional suburbia, it still has more of a suburban build than of a urban neighborhood like Uptown Dallas. Uptown Dallas started with new urbanist development from the beginning. That's why I mentioned Preston Center as a reasonable comparison in terms of how those areas naturally evolved. For Example: Preston Center started off as a 50s shopping center anchored by what was the largest suburban department store in America (Sanger-Harris) and the first suburban Neiman-Marcus. Preston Center really reminds me of the Uptown Houston area but with a much, much smaller area (about 103 acres). I guess you can call Preston Center an edge city too. It meets the qualifications for one. Also, they both happen to be located on the original loops of both cities too -- 610 and Loop 12 (Northwest Hwy).

From Wikipeida

I think even Dallas folks would be shocked at how well that buildup in Addison compares with Uptown Houston. This is especially true when all that office space in and around the Dallas Galleria and west across the North Dallas Parkway in Farmers Branch are included. One has to go north beyond Spring Valley Road even to leave Farmers Branch and to arrive at Addison. I'm going to do some research and start a thread on it. There are 38 hotels and over 8000 rooms in Uptown Houston and twenty-two and 4000 rooms just in Addison. Again, this isn't including the hotels also in both Dallas and Farmers Branch.
There is a picture showing an impressive skyline at the southern end of Addison Airport. Most of those office buildings aren't even in Addison.
Addison also has a substantially dense population when the area of the airport is subtracted.
Uptown Houston and Addison got built up at about the same time. There is substantial girth to the development in Addison when looking at an arial picture.

[R1070]

Addison Circle is a nice walkable area that’s about to have a train stop put in.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by Norman54

I think even Dallas folks would be shocked at how well that buildup in Addison compares with Uptown Houston. This is especially true when all that office space in and around the Dallas Galleria and west across the North Dallas Parkway in Farmers Branch are included. One has to go north beyond Spring Valley Road even to leave Farmers Branch and to arrive at Addison. I'm going to do some research and start a thread on it. There are 38 hotels and over 8000 rooms in Uptown Houston and twenty-two and 4000 rooms just in Addison. Again, this isn't including the hotels also in both Dallas and Farmers Branch.
There is a picture showing an impressive skyline at the southern end of Addison Airport. Most of those office buildings aren't even in Addison.
Addison also has a substantially dense population when the area of the airport is subtracted.
Uptown Houston and Addison got built up at about the same time. There is substantial girth to the development in Addison when looking at an arial picture.

Agreed. I noticed the same as well. Every time I get on the tollway I’m impressed how dense the area has gotten. My brother use to live in that area and had a nice view of everything.

[Norman54]

Originally Posted by R1070

Addison Circle is a nice walkable area that’s about to have a train stop put in.

Indeed, Addison is still growing. In fact, I think there is a good chance that the area of Farmers Branch located to the west of the Galleria Dallas will out grow that Midtown development. Shoot, the only area in the area that isn't growing is that Midtown development.
It reminds me of the Las Colinas Urban area in the 2010s. Only after people gave up on the area ever boiling, it started percolating pretty good.