03-28-2008, 08:45 PM
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PLEASE KEEP THE "FREEZE" DISCUSSION IN THE PROPER THREAD!
03-28-2008, 08:54 PM
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With all due respect I have lived and worked for various amount of time in London, Paris, Stockholm, Frankfurt, Atlanta, New York, Houston and Dallas and have traveled in Asia, Australia and most European countries.
So you tell me, just to make an example, that in general Seattle food scene is on par with New York and Sydney?? or with Italy and France???
Just take fish for example....even if you go in a very high-end restaurant here the choice of fish is rather limited...Salmon, Halibut, Cod, Bass, Lobster, Prawns and the usual Calamari (not even properly cooked).
To get some decent Octopus, Swordfish, king sole, grouper, rock fish, baby sardines, red mullet, king prawns, baby squid and I may go on, I have to special order....if I can even get it....all stuff you can find at a fish market in New York
Never mind finding these in any menus in a restaurant, I asked sometimes to get blank stares in response...
How many type of Zucchini can you find even in high end grocery stores?? One....you know how many you can find in every fruit store in Italy?? 5 or 6 at minimum....same for Sydney or Paris...
Once I wanted to make a prickly pear macedoine and I had to special order from California....and what I got I had to throw it away....
When I order Pasta I have to ask to have it basically raw to have it cooked decently...
What about one of Tom Douglas restaurant making Tiramisu with Rhum and Philadelphia cream cheese??
When I want to have good Greek my only choice is Stepho's in Vancouver BC
The same when I need more particular groceries, like last week buying distilled anise..I have to go to Vancouver which, food wise, is light years ahead...
What about creeme brulee served with whipping cream and strawberry sauce??
What about seafood sauce served with liquid cream, raw broccoli and chicken...hmm yummy what a great combination....simply inedible...
If you want a decent gelato there is only one place in the entire city..Gelatiamo downtown, hopefully it will not close down like other 2 places....I resorted to make my own gelato with a machine I brought from Italy....
What about the pathetic Pastry Shops???...scones, cinnamon rolls, macaroons and few cakes (always the same)??
Look at what a pastry shop is supposed to be
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I may go on but I prefer to stop here...
I would LOVE to know who rated Seattle for food.....I'm not talking about ratings here...it's real life....
When our friends have the choice if to going out or eat at my house they always pick my cooking....
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03-28-2008, 09:21 PM
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OMG those bakery pictures make me miss home. I have been searching for a bakery out here for 2 years and have yet to find one!
03-28-2008, 09:25 PM
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Hmm...my oldest daughter wants to go to UW and be an internat'l chef. Would you say Seattle is not the best place for this? I want her to move to Dallas with us, but she has her heart set on this plan.
03-28-2008, 09:42 PM
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Hmm...my oldest daughter wants to go to UW and be an internat'l chef. Would you say Seattle is not the best place for this? I want her to move to Dallas with us, but she has her heart set on this plan.
IMHO, from a restaurant user perspective, Seattle is not even in the middle as city with good food.....in my experience....usually I "rate" the food myself without relying on official guides....
My wife, a long time Seattelite, told me that since we got married, her taste for food changed significantly and she is way more choosy now....
An other example...no decent pizza in the Puget Sound so far in my experience...the only ones acceptable are Via Tribunali (no reservations, parking nightmare, outrageously expensive and very snotty chef), La Vita e' Bella, (not bad at all on 2nd ave downtown) and barely passable The Rock in Lynnwood...
Even in this case..I often resort to make the pizza myself.
I'm still on the prowl for more good pizza places...
03-28-2008, 09:52 PM
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The Seattle area is very dependent on trade and happens to be in the most trade dependent state in the country, but we "lack focus or knowledge" of things outside our "immediate location."
Ew, not exactly speaking well for the ol' local economic planning commission, eh? Most trade dependent? Okay, aside from the ships bringing goods back and forth, how does the average Seattleite become more "worldly" due to this fact?
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Seattle area has two very large companies that employ literally thousands of people who travel the world and happen to be residents of the area, yet we "lack focus or knowledge" of things outside our "immediate location."
You mean all of those "transplants" who work for Boeing and Microsoft? We kind of know how you feel about folks from other places in general.
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is home to one of the largest and most highly regarded ballet companies in the United States, yet we are provincial.
Again, locals overrating the place: find me something that's not the Seattle Times or P-I that rates it as such.
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is home to one of the most highly regarded opera companies in the United States who's production of Wagner's complete ''Ring'' cycle rivals that of Bayreuth and is attended by people from dozens of countries, yet we are provincial.
The Seattle Opera is highly regarded by Seattleites. Yeah, the first U.S. Opera company to perform the Wagner's Ring Cycle except for the Metropolitan Opera in NY that did it in 1939.
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has a top-notch farmers market with amazing produce and seafood and foods from around the world, and is consistently rated as one of the top restaurant and food cities in the country, yet we settle for subway sandwiches and Teriyaki.
It appears so given the ratio of Teriyaki joints and Subways (the fast food place, not transit, that's too much to ask for) compared to "the farmer's market" (how does something as localized as a farmer's market propel a city to international status or demonstrate that it's not provincial?)
In fact, aside from coffee and farmer's market Seattle's not quite up to bragging rights (well, I guess #8 isn't so bad, at least in the top 10).
Unless, of course the people who rate things for this site just don't know what they're talking about (which is possible).
Also covers arts and music germane to you above topic:
America's Favorite Cities 2007 | Seattle | Travel + Leisure
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has a very literate and highly educated population, yet we "lack focus or knowledge" of things outside our "immediate location."
You know, that "best educated" thing comes from all of us transplants with degrees who moved in here. At least that's what they say.
We gave you the gift of good education statistics, yet drove up your home prices. Sort of a double edged sword, but take what you can get from it, eh?
The Seattle Times: Local News: Seattle ranks as nation's best-educated big city
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Does listing the above sound a bit ridiculous, probably,
yes.
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seattlerain
but no more ridiculous than saying “and their lack of focus or knowledge of things outside of their immediate location.”
I disagree
03-28-2008, 09:59 PM
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Okay, the food is great in Seattle and so is the coffee. Anyone that's lived here and traveled knows it we've got those two things nailed. Friends, not too difficult to make. Employment is easy to find and well paid. Recreation, offers just about everything. Culture here takes a bit to get used too and some never do.
03-28-2008, 10:07 PM
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Saturno,
03-28-2008, 10:17 PM
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Saturno,
Maybe I will try tomorrow and I will let you know....
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Okay, the food is great in Seattle and so is the coffee.
2PAK..Seattle did not get these 2 things nailed in my book....
03-28-2008, 10:22 PM
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IMHO, from a restaurant user perspective, Seattle is not even in the middle as city with good food.....in my experience....usually I "rate" the food myself without relying on official guides....
Dude how can you say no good pizza! Have you tried Luciano's(spelling)????Its the best! And also Amante! Both will make pizza any way you like, which is awesome because they make me my pizza with Alfredo sauce, Turkey(delicious, tender turkey) and jalapenos lol. Great places. The tortellini at Luciano's is excellent!
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People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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