03-08-2010, 06:01 PM
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Bottom line on this for most people:Needing a wetsuit to swim in the cold waters of Northern or central California isn't a heck of a lot different than needing a wetsuit to swim in the cold waters of SoCal. Even in August when many people swim without a wetsuit in SoCal, I'm too cold to do it. If warm ocean water to swim in is a must for you, don't move to anywhere in California.
Sounds like sour grapes!
and so untrue! Maybe its Nor Cal angst!
03-08-2010, 09:31 PM
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Your link is an average temp of day and NIGHT temperature. The sun has a little bit of a warming effect, maybe a degree or two. So it is pretty normal to see many SoCal beaches get to the mid-70s every summer. Definitely a lot warmer than the warmest NorCal and central Coast beaches which hover around high 50's and very low 60s.
This is true and I've said this many times in the past when someone shows me that NODC link, water temp usually drops at night and can change quickly from day to day. Last late June/early July I saw the water temp observed in Mission Beach go from 69 to 59 one week then back up to 69 a week later. It got really cold for the 4th of July weekend then shot right back up by weeks end. Sucked for the tourists I'm sure and the same thing happened the year before for 4th of July, it can be really annoying when that happens. South OC and North SD county seem to have the warmest water temps overall, a little warmer than Central and Southern SD County.
I constantly check water temps over the summer all over San Diego and Southern CA b/c temps can vary 5-8 degrees at beaches just 5-10 miles from each other and from day to day. It always gets into the low to mid 70's during summer, some summers it's warmer than others. This summer it was pretty warm through out b/c of El Nino. We had a thread over the summer talking about the water temps,it was up to 76-78 in SD over the summer. And most places stayed above 70 the vast majority of summer.
Most people usually go w/o a wetsuit for summer:
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03-08-2010, 10:01 PM
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I have never seen people go swimming with a wet suit [even in NorCal]. Only surfers wear wetsuits because they are in and out of the water so much. If you are wet sitting on a surfboard on a windy day it becomes chilly even in 80F water. But swimmers\ body surfers stay in the actual water up to the neck most of the time and don't get hypothermia even in water temps well below 65F. What's different from NorCal and SoCal is that the coastline is very sharp and deep along much of the NorCal beaches. There are also mountains that decend into the ocean in SoCal [i.e. Malibu] but overall the beaches are wide and the water fairly shallow in SoCal. People swim in the ocean all year long in SoCal though I personally prefer the water temp to be near or above 70F before I feel really comfortable swimming and that occurs from late June to early October.
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03-08-2010, 10:04 PM
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Given that I've lived in SoCal for the last 7 and a half years-and have never lived in NorCal-, I'm not sure how I could have sour grapes or "NorCal angst". LOL.
Nice pics of the beaches. BUT, ya don't see many of those people in regular suits actually in the water. And of those who do go in, the vast majority will have very harsh facial expressions as they cringe while adjusting to the cold water. Then, after a couple minutes, they get out of the water
03-08-2010, 10:10 PM
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This is true and I've said this many times in the past when someone shows me that NODC link, water temp usually drops at night and can change quickly from day to day. Last late June/early July I saw the water temp observed in Mission Beach go from 69 to 59 one week then back up to 69 a week later. It got really cold for the 4th of July weekend then shot right back up by weeks end. Sucked for the tourists I'm sure and the same thing happened the year before for 4th of July, it can be really annoying when that happens. South OC and North SD county seem to have the warmest water temps overall, a little warmer than Central and Southern SD County.
Lovely photos. Being a Bay Area native, I remember the first time visiting SD back in high school. The beach experience was amazing for me because the water wasn't the frigid ice cold experience that I always had as a child up in Santa Cruz.
03-08-2010, 10:14 PM
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Given that I've lived in SoCal for the last 7 and a half years, I'm not sure how I could have sour grapes or "NorCal angst". LOL.
Nice pics of the beaches.
BUT, ya don't see many of those people in regular suits actually in the water. And of those who do go in, the vast majority will have very harsh facial expressions as they cringe while adjusting to the cold water. Then, after a couple minutes, they get out of the water
Out of all the pictures posted with people in the water on this page so far I can only see two people in actual wetsuits, everyone else is wearing regular swim suits. I live 8 blocks from the beach and am there quite often in summer, what you describe is not common at all. But some people definitely do find the water anywhere in CA too cold anytime of year but they are usually from the east coast or Hawaii. Most Northern Californians usually note how much warmer the ocean is down here in summer in comparison.
@ CA Sur, that pic titled "Solana Beach" is actually Ocean Beach. It was taken from the pier.
03-08-2010, 10:20 PM
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Given that I've lived in SoCal for the last 7 and a half years, I'm not sure how I could have sour grapes or "NorCal angst". LOL.
Nice pics of the beaches. BUT, ya don't see many of those people in regular suits actually in the water. And of those who do go in, the vast majority will have very harsh facial expressions as they cringe while adjusting to the cold water. Then, after a couple minutes, they get out of the water
You can twist it anyway you want but pictures don't lie. My mom gets silly about the water temps sometimes but the waves bother her more. If you like to swim\ body surf or board surf, SoCa is close to paradise. Ever hear of the Beach Boys?
The beach is the place where people hang out in SoCal because it is the most comfortable place to escape the heat. People in NorCal don't use the beach or seek it out as much. If it were cold than nobody would want to spend the day at the beach.
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Out of all the pics you just posted, only one shows people actually in the ocean. In that pic, 8 out of the 12 people had wetsuits on.
03-08-2010, 10:42 PM
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Out of all the pics you just posted, only one shows people actually in the ocean. In that pic, 8 out of the 12 people had wetsuits on.
I don't have to prove you wrong. Guess I need to take my camera into the water!
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I don't have to prove you wrong. Guess I need to take my camera into the water!
LOL. What's that going to prove? If you can take your camera into the water and take a few pics......and then prove to me
I won't be cold without a wetsuit, you're truly a talented individual!
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People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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and so untrue! Maybe its Nor Cal angst! 
Malibu 
Out of all the pictures posted with people in the water on this page so far I can only see two people in actual wetsuits, everyone else is wearing regular swim suits. I live 8 blocks from the beach and am there quite often in summer, what you describe is not common at all. But some people definitely do find the water anywhere in CA too cold anytime of year but they are usually from the east coast or Hawaii. Most Northern Californians usually note how much warmer the ocean is down here in summer in comparison.
