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Old 03-02-2008, 12:43 PM
 
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Saw this in the D&C and it is the top article on the website. This is basically saying what I have said and felt about our region all along. Rochester as definitely taken a hit from the huge losses of manufacturing jobs from cutbacks at Kodak and other firms, but we have weathered it pretty well in comparison to many other cities who have suffered extreme losses in manufacturing, AND there is hope for this area to have a strong economy once again. Yes, our taxes are high, and yes we have a lot to work to do to make up for what we've lost, but Rochester is not "dying". We have so many assets, and just need to realize that and utilize them more!


Democrat & Chronicle: Business

Our manufacturing roots sprout new jobs


Matthew Daneman
Staff writer

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(March 2, 2008) — Once upon a time, Rochester was a city that built things.

As recently as the early 1980s, factories churned out millions of cameras, photocopiers, auto parts, eyewear and gears. And the companies that did the work — Eastman Kodak, Xerox, General Motors, Bausch & Lomb, Gleason Works and so on down the line — employed 165,000 people.
But an economy that once depended on those jobs has had to find a different way in recent years as massive corporate downsizings reduced manufacturing employment to less than 75,000.
Yet, arguably, the region has weathered the losses better than many others in the same economic boat in the Northeast and Midwest, buoyed by a unique set of strengths.

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Old 03-02-2008, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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Yes! It's great to finally see Rochester portrayed in a positive light. We truly are a resilient group of people and we have weathered some difficult times. 50,000 jobs lost at Kodak alone--and we've managed to maintain an MSA population of over 1 million. Extremely impressive!

This only strengthens my notion that Rochester will begin to see the results of a long-awaited turnaround in the coming decade. I hope that ESL and Paetec moving downtown is just the beginning of a revitalization that will bring Rochester out its half-century "hibernation," and restore its reputation as a place of growth and progress.
 
Old 03-02-2008, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Rustbelt cities Real GDP in Millions
Cincinnati=82
Cleveland= 90
Columbus,oh=75
Pittsburgh= 91
Rochester=38
Buffalo=35
Baltimore=105
Detroit=186
flint=11
Erie=7
Toledo=22
Harrisburg=22
Dayton=30

Salt lake city and New Orleans is closes to rochester population.
Salt lake city gdp is 46 million and New Orleans is 49.

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Old 03-02-2008, 06:50 PM
 
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We truly are a resilient bunch. How else can you explain us putting up with this crap for so long? Resilient...but foolish.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Originally Posted by shibainu View Post
Rustbelt cities Real GDP in Millions
Cincinnati=82
Cleveland= 90
Columbus,oh=75
Pittsburgh= 91
Rochester=38
Buffalo=35
Baltimore=105
Detroit=186
flint=11
Erie=7
Toledo=22
Harrisburg=22
Dayton=30

Salt lake city and New Orleans is closes to rochester population.
Salt lake city gdp is 46 million and New Orleans is 49.
I made a mistake converting the numbers they all should be in the BIllions and Not millions
 
Old 03-03-2008, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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But lets take a real look at the story..PPI is the number you want to look for verse total GDP. PPI as of 10/07

Rochester =$24,890
Buffalo = $23,384
Albany = $27,111
Syracuse = $23,123
Kingston = $24,579
Poughkeepsie=$26,141
Utica/Rome=$20,412

So as you can see Albany and Poughkeepsie actually have a better GDP number than Rochester based on gdp/ total population = PPI. Rochester does have the highest GDP of the Major cities but when you compare it by population it is actual 3 for the Major cities. PPI is a better indicator than total GDP. Why do I say this look at NYC it has a GDP of over 1 trillion but not many cities can do that.So you could say NYC is the best for GDP but Nyc ppi is $30,000. When you compare that to DC which does about 300 billion in GDP the PPI is $36,000. So you see that Washington DC has a higher output per person which is better overall.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Originally Posted by I'minformed2 View Post
Saw this in the D&C and it is the top article on the website. This is basically saying what I have said and felt about our region all along. Rochester as definitely taken a hit from the huge losses of manufacturing jobs from cutbacks at Kodak and other firms, but we have weathered it pretty well in comparison to many other cities who have suffered extreme losses in manufacturing, AND there is hope for this area to have a strong economy once again. Yes, our taxes are high, and yes we have a lot to work to do to make up for what we've lost, but Rochester is not "dying". We have so many assets, and just need to realize that and utilize them more!


Democrat & Chronicle: Business

Our manufacturing roots sprout new jobs


Matthew Daneman
Staff writer

http://democratandchronicle.com/graphics/storychat.gif (broken link) Post Comment

(March 2, 2008) — Once upon a time, Rochester was a city that built things.

As recently as the early 1980s, factories churned out millions of cameras, photocopiers, auto parts, eyewear and gears. And the companies that did the work — Eastman Kodak, Xerox, General Motors, Bausch & Lomb, Gleason Works and so on down the line — employed 165,000 people.
But an economy that once depended on those jobs has had to find a different way in recent years as massive corporate downsizings reduced manufacturing employment to less than 75,000.
Yet, arguably, the region has weathered the losses better than many others in the same economic boat in the Northeast and Midwest, buoyed by a unique set of strengths.
I read the entire article. It is a very weak argument. It was just a way to spin the data to make sound like it is improving.The article never compared itself to any other city with any data set. The real data was left out because it would not support their arguement.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 08:02 PM
 
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Kinda like how you spin data sometimes to make this area look bad?
 
Old 03-03-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by shibainu View Post
I read the entire article. It is a very weak argument. It was just a way to spin the data to make sound like it is improving.The article never compared itself to any other city with any data set. The real data was left out because it would not support their arguement.

You are very perceptive. Many times things will be spun to make things look better than they are. You have to look at who is funding the article also. There is usually a motive behind it. It is good to try to trump up enthusiasm in an effort to improve things when they are just terrible, but sometimes you just have to look at the reality if things and the reality of the Rochester area seems to be, well........................better left unsaid I guess.
 
Old 03-03-2008, 09:30 PM
 
Location: between here and there
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You are very perceptive. Many times things will be spun to make things look better than they are. You have to look at who is funding the article also. There is usually a motive behind it. It is good to try to trump up enthusiasm in an effort to improve things when they are just terrible, but sometimes you just have to look at the reality if things and the reality of the Rochester area seems to be, well........................better left unsaid I guess.
Are you a Rochesterian?

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