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Old 10-01-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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I was watching a documentary about tornadoes some months back. Much of it focused on a tornado that ripped through some Midwestern state on a Sunday, completely leveling a church DURING Sunday service and killing a few people including at least one child.

I was just amazed at the explanations some in the congregation gave that refused to question the obvious. Their replies hinted that the question was asked about still believing in god considering the dilemma wrapped up in the incident. Here were faithful people, serving their god in what was supposed to be his house of worship and here comes an act from their god to kill some of them, destroy his house and injure many others. How does one not question or not see the obvious?

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Old 10-01-2009, 03:25 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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I was watching a documentary about tornadoes some months back. Much of it focused on a tornado that ripped through some Midwestern state on a Sunday, completely leveling a church DURING Sunday service and killing a few people including at least one child.

I was just amazed at the explanations some in the congregation gave that refused to question the obvious. Their replies hinted that the question was asked about still believing in god considering the dilemma wrapped up in the incident. Here were faithful people, serving their god in what was supposed to be his house of worship and here comes an act fro their god to kill some of them, destroy his house and injure many others. How does one not question or not see the obvious?
shhhhhhhhhhh you're not supposed to ASK such things. You are supposed to nod your head and smile and say...... "God's will" or something like that. You start asking tough questions and you're gonna be in Dutch with the faithful. LOL

20yrsinBranson
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in the middle
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I was watching a documentary about tornadoes some months back. Much of it focused on a tornado that ripped through some Midwestern state on a Sunday, completely leveling a church DURING Sunday service and killing a few people including at least one child.

I was just amazed at the explanations some in the congregation gave that refused to question the obvious. Their replies hinted that the question was asked about still believing in god considering the dilemma wrapped up in the incident. Here were faithful people, serving their god in what was supposed to be his house of worship and here comes an act from their god to kill some of them, destroy his house and injure many others. How does one not question or not see the obvious?
So what is the obvious you think the people in the church were missing? That life is just a crap shoot and when tragedies like this happen you just have to shrug your shoulders and say, oh well, dung happens...bummer.

Or maybe this group of believers will hold on even tighter to their belief in a Sovereign God, to the fact that God gives and God takes away...because it all belongs to Him in the first place. Ya, I realize that's one of the attributes of God that atheists just can't wrap their minds around but it is part of who God is. I'm sure this group of believers realized that people were looking at them and observing how they handled the situation. Perhaps as a result of their witness, someone might have come to know Christ as their Savior.
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:09 PM
 
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I was watching a documentary about tornadoes some months back. Much of it focused on a tornado that ripped through some Midwestern state on a Sunday, completely leveling a church DURING Sunday service and killing a few people including at least one child.

I was just amazed at the explanations some in the congregation gave that refused to question the obvious. Their replies hinted that the question was asked about still believing in god considering the dilemma wrapped up in the incident. Here were faithful people, serving their god in what was supposed to be his house of worship and here comes an act from their god to kill some of them, destroy his house and injure many others. How does one not question or not see the obvious?
Being religious or spiritual doesn't mean that one is immune from the chaos and destruction that are often part of life on this planet.
In spite of the anguish that is often part of being human, there is an awareness of some degree or other that we are not just a brain and a sack of bones.
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:52 PM
 
Location: New York City
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So what is the obvious you think the people in the church were missing? That life is just a crap shoot and when tragedies like this happen you just have to shrug your shoulders and say, oh well, dung happens...bummer.

Or maybe this group of believers will hold on even tighter to their belief in a Sovereign God, to the fact that God gives and God takes away...because it all belongs to Him in the first place. Ya, I realize that's one of the attributes of God that atheists just can't wrap their minds around but it is part of who God is. I'm sure this group of believers realized that people were looking at them and observing how they handled the situation. Perhaps as a result of their witness, someone might have come to know Christ as their Savior.
Isn't this akin to lighting your house on fire with your children in it and have family look on and praise you for the act?
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:45 PM
 
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Isn't this akin to lighting your house on fire with your children in it and have family look on and praise you for the act?
No it isn't akin to anything I might choose to do because I'm not God.
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:19 PM
 
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No it isn't akin to anything I might choose to do because I'm not God.
Right. God "needed" that little girl in heaven. Or else that little girl did something so terrible in a former life that god decided to punish her for it. Or, one of her family members did something bad and so god decided to murder the child to "teach them a lesson". Oh, look! A little child smashed to bloody bits by a tornado! PRAISE JESUS!

You people who believe this kind of hogwash really amuse me. You're so predictably funny, and always spout the same nonsense over and over.
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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I think insurance companies called events caused by wind, storms, tornadoes: "Acts of Nature"...

To my mind that speaks volumes in favor of a Nature God... or multiples thereof... Fanciful yet I just can't help myself.

Kate
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:39 PM
 
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Or maybe this group of believers will hold on even tighter to their belief in a Sovereign God, to the fact that God gives and God takes away...
And that will be relatively easy to do, since the tornado was not accompanied by a blast of trumpets and a heavenly voice declaring divine intention. Or, in other words, people can (and probably will) interpret the event as they see fit.
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Old 10-01-2009, 07:34 PM
 
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Right. God "needed" that little girl in heaven. Or else that little girl did something so terrible in a former life that god decided to punish her for it. Or, one of her family members did something bad and so god decided to murder the child to "teach them a lesson". Oh, look! A little child smashed to bloody bits by a tornado! PRAISE JESUS!

You people who believe this kind of hogwash really amuse me. You're so predictably funny, and always spout the same nonsense over and over.
You're putting words in my mouth, I said none of those things. What I said was, I am not God....my trying to explain to you why God might choose to allow a tragedy to happen is a futile exercise. I don't attempt to bring God down to my level as you seem to want to do.
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