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Putting something into context places its true meaning. You use out of context to proclaim an issue, yet all you show is your lack of understanding of the text. Some things are very clear, others require cross referencing to place it within its context. This is done in the Bible all the time, the disciples when carrying the word used the proper context all the time to clarify to people the teachings. The simple fact here is you honestly don't understand what you are talking about and attempt to use it as a claim of validity when it is not.
Over all, your position is that none of the texts are valid and that people can choose to interpret them as they see fit. If this were the case I could justify anything through clever use of the Bible to support any sin and you will find that many great atrocities have been committed throughout history using this very approach. Christianity is meaningless if man decides all.
Its not Christianity, it is a perversion of the word to fit mans desires. If people truly accept him, they will strive to understand his word and not make excuses that fit their own lifestyle or comfort. Man does not dictate his will to God.
All you are doing is shooting off nonsensical assertion after nonsensical assertion. You lambaste me for the same thing you and those like you are guilty of. You aren't convincing me; you're just demonstrating how truly limited your scope is, which I at once find laughable and contemptible. When you can address my claims rationally and comprehensively, you might actually gain something in the way of leverage.
About shellfish, the New Testament abolishes old dietary laws while sexual morality is only re-enforced (see Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6). Its very clear as to what is to be followed and what is not. That red herring may work with atheists but it doesn't work with anybody who has knowledge of the Bible.
You attempt to proclaim a subjectivist position as the ruler here, but the Bible is not a subjective bed pan for people to squat in.
Yes, actually, it is. Sorry.
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As to my response, it was a logically fallacy as it did not contest anything and was essentially an adhominen attack. Are you now going to insert subjective interpretations on the rules of debate as well? If so, there is no point in discussing anything with you as there is no path that you follow that would provide sane dialog. A discussion lost in the woods is merely a waste of time and I have no wish to wander aimlessly with you.
We are not debating, because you are not relying on logic to begin with. You are relying on faith and your intepretation of it, and that is something I cannot touch, so I will not try to. I stand by what I've stated, because it was accurate. Just in case my meaning wasn't clear enough: What you think you know doesn't make it truth for anyone else but you.
About shellfish, the New Testament abolishes old dietary laws while sexual morality is only re-enforced (see Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6). Its very clear as to what is to be followed and what is not. That red herring may work with atheists but it doesn't work with anybody who has knowledge of the Bible.
The shellfish was only one example that I chose. There are many, many more, as "anybody who has knowledge of the Bible" can attest.
You are relying on faith and your intepretation of it, and that is something I cannot touch, so I will not try to. I stand by what I've stated, because it was accurate. Just in case my meaning wasn't clear enough: What you think you know doesn't make it truth for anyone else but you.
If we are talking about within the Church, or course we should rely on faith and God's word. What the atheist thinks is right and wrong should be of no concern when governing the church when it contradicts God's word.
The shellfish was only one example that I chose. There are many, many more, as "anybody who has knowledge of the Bible" can attest.
I know the others, such as multiple fabrics or something like that. Lets hear the others, since there are many, many more. If its in Leviticus and still applicable to today, its usually backed up by something in the New Testament.
If we are talking about within the Church, or course we should rely on faith and God's word. What the atheist thinks is right and wrong should be of no concern when governing the church when it contradicts God's word.
Exactly, and that's why it doesn't make sense. It's all subjective, no matter which way you chock it up. Lutherans are no more right than Catholics...Methodists...Presbyterians....etc. They're all petty, shallow, and crazy.
It's nothing more than a glorified roundtable discussion about a work of literature.
I know the others, such as multiple fabrics or something like that. Lets hear the others, since there are many, many more. If its in Leviticus and still applicable to today, its usually backed up by something in the New Testament.
Yes, like there should even be a "New" or "Old" testament if it's all God's word. Unless God is into editing and revising his own material. Like any good writer (that is, man) should.
Exactly, and that's why it doesn't make sense. It's all subjective, no matter which way you chock it up. Lutherans are no more right than Catholics...Methodists...Presbyterians....etc. They're all petty, shallow, and crazy.
It's nothing more than a glorified roundtable discussion about a work of literature.
Until recently, virtually all Christian denominations except for maybe the MCC/UCC had the same views on what was sinful and what was not. Now, because our culture has glorified homosexuality so much, churches have decided that since MTV says homosexuality is normal and natural then its not really wrong and God was wrong when He condemned it. That is blasphemy. They are heretics.
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Yes, like there should even be a "New" or "Old" testament if it's all God's word. Unless God is into editing and revising his own material. Like any good writer (that is, man) should.
Ah, it looks like you can't come up with anything, and this only further shows your ignorance of the Bible.
Until recently, virtually all Christian denominations except for maybe the MCC/UCC had the same views on what was sinful and what was not. Now, because our culture has glorified homosexuality so much, churches have decided that since MTV says homosexuality is normal and natural then its not really wrong and God was wrong when He condemned it. That is blasphemy. They are heretics.
There is no such thing as heresy if something is inherently relative and subject to interpretation. Enough said.
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Ah, it looks like you can't come up with anything, and this only further shows your ignorance of the Bible.
Oh please.
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