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Old 02-27-2023, 12:48 PM
 
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Name me one. I couldn't find any.
Again, I'm not about to do your homework for you. Google is there. I'd use the same resource. LOOK IT UP!

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And what about the poor and indigent who don't? Face it, Mink: the RCC simply doesn't want to spend that kind of money on the poor.
What a CROCK. You keep forgetting thrill, that *I* was homeless once. First place I went to was the Catholic Church. While I didn't need any medical assistance, I knew where I could go to get it if I DID need it-- even if I was broke. It's not as if the Catholic Church has resources on EVERY street corner. They're not McDonald's.

The RCC works in concert with other organizations. It's not as if each parish church has some kind of 'stockpile' of cash available to help those who need help...especially if you're fortunate enough to wander into a church at 9 p.m. Not all churches are open 24/7, for good reason.

But if they can help, they do.

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Oh PLU EEEZE!
Oh PLU EEEZE WHAT? Don't you KNOW what "indigent" and "medical care" means?

Do you not know that what ONE person considers to be "medical care", another deems that a certain procedure may not be "medically necessary"?

Medical "care" could mean getting a kidney transplant or a vasectomy.

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What about cancer? Face it, Mink: the RCC simply doesn't want to spend that kind of money on the poor.
Show me the data on this...

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Face it, Mink: the RCC simply doesn't want to spend that kind of money on the poor.
Again, show me the statistics.

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Are you kidding?????? I'd give my right arm just to find a single historian in the 1st century not associated with Christianity who just mentions the name, "Jesus" let alone he was a hoax! Face it, Mink. There's enough white-wash in your post to paint the entire Titanic white.
That's your opinion. Even your atheist 'buddy', Bart Ehrman doesn't agree with you...

 
Old 02-27-2023, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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???

How do you interpret the scene with Mary Magdalene anointing Jesus with expensive perfume, then? Judas did raise the objection that the perfume could have been sold and the money given to the poor, but Jesus shut him down.

In your opinion, was Judas right here and Jesus wrong?
I found myself thinking about this post while I was out driving.

So let's see...Jesus was god and could do miraculous healings, but he wouldn't get to his own heaven unless a prostitute (according to Pope Gregory) poured expensive perfume on him.
 
Old 02-27-2023, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not. Even. Close. It's your misunderstanding that's the problem.
Apologist for the Catholic church
 
Old 02-27-2023, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Originally Posted by phetaroi View Post
I found myself thinking about this post while I was out driving.

So let's see...Jesus was god and could do miraculous healings, but he wouldn't get to his own heaven unless a prostitute (according to Pope Gregory) poured expensive perfume on him.
Jesus prophesied about His burial. He didn't say anything about heaven... or maybe I'm misunderstanding you?
 
Old 02-27-2023, 02:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by phetaroi View Post
I found myself thinking about this post while I was out driving.

So let's see...Jesus was god and could do miraculous healings, but he wouldn't get to his own heaven unless a prostitute (according to Pope Gregory) poured expensive perfume on him.
Literally no.

That's what you got out of that passage??

It was a kindness. He accepted the kindness. In lieu of selling the bottle of oil and giving the money to the poor. Giving does not have to mean never receiving, Jesus was saying. And he was also taking a jab at the hypocrisy. The "gotcha" in the rebuke he received.

Kind of like the "gotcha" attempts here with "oh yeah? So, the RCC gives literally billions. It could give MORE billions! That means it's all bull."

Jesus was saying: No. Taking back does not mean it's all bull. And "gotchas" only work to try to win arguments. In practice, they mean nothing except that someone has ill will and ill intent.
 
Old 02-27-2023, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike View Post
Jesus prophesied about His burial. He didn't say anything about heaven... or maybe I'm misunderstanding you?
"In 591 A.D., Pope Gregory the Great solidified this misunderstanding in a sermon: “She whom Luke calls the sinful woman, whom John calls Mary [of Bethany], we believe to be the Mary from whom seven devils were ejected according to Mark."

So Jesus was not going to heaven? Was he going to hell?
 
Old 02-27-2023, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Literally no.

That's what you got out of that passage??

It was a kindness. He accepted the kindness. In lieu of selling the bottle of oil and giving the money to the poor. Giving does not have to mean never receiving, Jesus was saying. And he was also taking a jab at the hypocrisy. The "gotcha" in the rebuke he received.

Kind of like the "gotcha" attempts here with "oh yeah? So, the RCC gives literally billions. It could give MORE billions! That means it's all bull."

Jesus was saying: No. Taking back does not mean it's all bull. And "gotchas" only work to try to win arguments. In practice, they mean nothing except that someone has ill will and ill intent.
Then there seems to be little point to that bible story.
 
Old 02-27-2023, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Originally Posted by phetaroi View Post
"In 591 A.D., Pope Gregory the Great solidified this misunderstanding in a sermon: “She whom Luke calls the sinful woman, whom John calls Mary [of Bethany], we believe to be the Mary from whom seven devils were ejected according to Mark."

So Jesus was not going to heaven? Was he going to hell?
Jesus knew He was going to die. The perfume was to anoint His body for burial. The perfume has nothing to do with heaven or hell.

When Jesus died, He descended into hell, freed the captives, and carried them to heaven - so the answer is both.
 
Old 02-27-2023, 04:18 PM
 
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Jesus knew He was going to die. The perfume was to anoint His body for burial. The perfume has nothing to do with heaven or hell.

When Jesus died, He descended into hell, freed the captives, and carried them to heaven - so the answer is both.

Incredible!


 
Old 02-27-2023, 04:35 PM
 
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Then there seems to be little point to that bible story.
I just told you the point.
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