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My point went over your head, and I bet you didn't even read the essay.
If Jesus wanted to expound upon the Adam & Eve story, He would have,
more than just using them as an iconic example of relationship between
man and woman.
Jesus did not write any of the New Testament. He was God, and moved
men with Spirit and Truth, that was His chosen method, not the written word.
The only writing He does is a line in the sand.
The Church is his legacy. Sola Scriptura leads to the confused worship of a text.
Look up the true meaning of 'creation myth'. Every civilisation that has one, believes theirs to be true and real, just as you believe in yours. I doubt they lie either.
The other creation myths are similar in that they are equally implausible. Fashioning a man out of dirt, dust, mud, sticks, or maize; there's no difference.
Making another person from a spare rib or from the sweat of the another person, there's no difference; they are equally implausible.
So in my view they do come close.
And Jesus was not 'there'. There is no story of Jesus being present either at the creation of earth or the creation of Adam and Eve. Even I know that.
More and more, I'm beginning to think if there is a god-thing, it is not yet fully realized.
It is evolving - maybe not coincidentally - along with us. But not just with us.
All of life is evolving. We just tend to pay attention to ourselves and what is close to us. But there is a whole frickin' universe out there that is very likely teeming with life of some sort or another and I kind of doubt if any of it stands still for long.
If your environment changes - so best you.
Or move.
Or both.
That's basically the story of evolution as I understand it.
The real story that science gives us, not some campfire stories perpetuated by some wine imbiding group of desert goat herders. The story told by DNA.
And what a story! Guess what, Europeans were not always white, blond and blue eyed. Au contraire mon cherie. They was brown, swarthy and probably smelly too. And then migrations came from the Middle East, and low and behold, brought Caucasian traits with them.
Now, homos erectus of course existed much before that in various stages of evolution. We left the other great apes to travel their separate evolutionary trek millions of years prior. Some 40,000 years ago, the last of the Neaderthals died out, although 3% of their DNA still exists in modern day Caucasians. Now, I know that some YEC are going to go all ape about that, but now you at least have a reason to.
Uhhhh, Adam and Eve were metaphorical people. This story is clearly an allegory. Eden is the Spirit World, not Earth. That you think otherwise puts you in the same literalism as the fundies.
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Uhhhh, Adam and Eve were metaphorical people. This story is clearly an allegory. Eden is the Spirit World, not Earth. That you think otherwise puts you in the same literalism as the fundies.
Of course Adam and Eve can at best be considered metaphorical. Where did you get the idea that I thought otherwise?
Uhhhh, Adam and Eve were metaphorical people. This story is clearly an allegory. Eden is the Spirit World, not Earth. That you think otherwise puts you in the same literalism as the fundies.
While today we may look upon the story as a metaphor, at the time it was written it likely was viewed in a more literal sense. Remember that a couple of thousand years ago, people understood very little compared to what we understand today. The story, for them was an explanation for human nature.
The story was probably one that had been passed down many generations and tweaked through the years like Chinese whispers, which possibly accounts for some similarities with other creation myths around the world.
Also bear in mind, as evidenced by this thread, that some people alive today still believe this story to be true in a literal sense. Since that is the case, you can bet your bottom dollar that many people a couple of thousand years ago will certainly have done.
More and more, I'm beginning to think if there is a god-thing, it is not yet fully realized.
It is evolving - maybe not coincidentally - along with us. But not just with us.
All of life is evolving. We just tend to pay attention to ourselves and what is close to us. But there is a whole frickin' universe out there that is very likely teeming with life of some sort or another and I kind of doubt if any of it stands still for long.
If your environment changes - so best you.
Or move.
Or both.
That's basically the story of evolution as I understand it.
You should start a thread on this TroutDude. It would make for an interesting discussion.
I've never thought about the idea of an evolving god-like being before.
While today we may look upon the story as a metaphor, at the time it was written it likely was viewed in a more literal sense. Remember that a couple of thousand years ago, people understood very little compared to what we understand today. The story, for them was an explanation for human nature.
The story was probably one that had been passed down many generations and tweaked through the years like Chinese whispers, which possibly accounts for some similarities with other creation myths around the world.
Also bear in mind, as evidenced by this thread, that some people alive today still believe this story to be true in a literal sense. Since that is the case, you can bet your bottom dollar that many people a couple of thousand years ago will certainly have done.
The historic document of the creation of Adam and Eve was never tweaked through the years.
The other historic documents detailing the writers of the New Testament, who were Jews, also believe the creation account to be historically accurate. These men were inspired by God and knew fact from fiction. They told us to stay away from myths:
1Ti_1:4 nor yet to be heeding myths and endless genealogies, which are affording exactions rather than God's administration which is in faith."
1Ti_4:7 Now profane and old womanish myths refuse, yet exercise yourself in devoutness,
2Ti_4:4 and, indeed, they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths."
Tit_1:14 not heeding Jewish myths and precepts of men who are turning from the truth.
2Pe_1:16 For not by following wisely made myths do we make known to you the power and presence of our Lord, Jesus Christ, but by becoming spectators of His magnificence."
The writers of the New Testament actually said and wrote quite a lot concerning Adam and Eve as fact. Adam is even in Christ's genealogy. You don't put a mythical person in your genealogy.
The historic document of the creation of Adam and Eve was never tweaked through the years.
The other historic documents detailing the writers of the New Testament, who were Jews, also believe the creation account to be historically accurate. These men were inspired by God and knew fact from fiction. They told us to stay away from myths:
1Ti_1:4 nor yet to be heeding myths and endless genealogies, which are affording exactions rather than God's administration which is in faith."
1Ti_4:7 Now profane and old womanish myths refuse, yet exercise yourself in devoutness,
2Ti_4:4 and, indeed, they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths."
Tit_1:14 not heeding Jewish myths and precepts of men who are turning from the truth.
2Pe_1:16 For not by following wisely made myths do we make known to you the power and presence of our Lord, Jesus Christ, but by becoming spectators of His magnificence."
The writers of the New Testament actually said and wrote quite a lot concerning Adam and Eve as fact. Adam is even in Christ's genealogy. You don't put a mythical person in your genealogy.
You seem to be missing something;
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A creation myth is a symbolic narrative of how the world began and how people first came to inhabit it. While in popular usage the term myth often refers to false or fanciful stories, formally, it does not imply falsehood. Cultures generally regard their creation myths as true.
If they thought it was true, they wouldn't know it was fiction.
Oh, okay, if you say so. Thanks for your well thought-out response with all your proofs. I am now convinced.
Religion doesn't need proof. That's why they're big on faith.
You're easy to convince - a trait of the religious perhaps?
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