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Some state that god was always there, but that doesn't make any sense. If it exits something had to create it, imo. The most logical explanation of course is that humans created it.
In order for something to have created everything else, doesn't it need to have existed from the beginning? It's basic logic. If something else created God that means we have infinite regression loop. As in, what created that thing, and the thing that created that thing. You fail logic forever.
Everything that exists is created. Whatever created everything else changed from being a dormant being to an active one.
In order for something to have created everything else, doesn't it need to have existed from the beginning? It's basic logic. If something else created God that means we have infinite regression loop. As in, what created that thing, and the thing that created that thing. You fail logic forever.
Everything that exists is created. Whatever created everything else changed from being a dormant being to an active one.
But isn't change a temporal concept? Wouldn't this being also need to be outside of time?
This is the definition of eternity, a state that God is reputed to possess.
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Eternity in common parlance is either an infinite or an indeterminately long period of time. However, in classical philosophy, eternity is held to be that which exists outside of time
In order to create other things, everything requiring creation needs a creator, whatever we hold that is (there are ALOT of theories, not just the conventional theist one). But that creator necessarily would need to be able to exist, both outside and as a part of the laws of physics and causality.
It doesn't change those laws, so much as predate them.
Before existence, we had two things, Void and Existence.
Void is the empty space, sort of like outer space, only a more profound sense of blank canvas. It would be more fitting to say that just Existence has always existed, and Void never existed. But we define it as a term, in order to clarify things. Existence has always existed, surrounded by Void. Think of a large cat (reading too much LOLcat bible, sorry) just sitting in the middle of nowhere, and you have a good concept.
Now, look at the figure above, which as I'm not sure of its copyright status has been indirect linked rather than posted as picture, the first states of matter were Existence (unity) and Void (separation). Before even that, everything was just a mass of whatever. But at some point, they kinda linked, and so we have a cycle of life and death. You see this sort of thing in nature, stuff is dying, stuff is being born, and it's sort of a flow back and forth.
Some state that god was always there, but that doesn't make any sense. If it exits something had to create it, imo. The most logical explanation of course is that humans created it.
There has to be an uncaused creator. If not...who created him/it? And the one before? And the one before? and before? and before? etc...etc.....etc.....etc.....
Some state that god was always there, but that doesn't make any sense. If it exits something had to create it, imo. The most logical explanation of course is that humans created it.
Nah...The energy that they call G-d is what we all return to...We just go from one form to another...Maybe that's where the idea of reincarnation comes from, kinda like Alternating Current...
There has to be an uncaused creator. If not...who created him/it? And the one before? And the one before? and before? and before? etc...etc.....etc.....etc.....
You might suspect the need for an uncaused creator but you are in no position to make such definitive statements.
But the infinite regression paradox you describe is precisely why "goddunnit" is no more satisfactory of an answer than "no god exists".
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