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There no end to the messiness found in Biblical translations. Take for example Genesis 3:15 which Christians love to tout as the first promise God made to send Jesus to save mankind. But does it really refer to Jesus, or is it just some vague obscure mumbo-jumbo that nobody but a Hebrew scribe could dream up?
Here are three translations:
Quote:
King James Bible
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; IT shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Quote:
Douay-Rheims Bible
I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
Quote:
New International Version
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."
A fourth translation which I found quoted but cannot get a reference to reads:
Quote:
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; they shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise their heel.
So we have three and possibly four different pronouns for who the offspring of the woman is. Any experts in Hebrew in here? What Hebrew word is used for the bolded pronoun referring to the woman's offspring? Is it properly translated as "he", "she", "it" or "they"?
As an educated person I see no differences in what is being said in your examples. The serpent is going to suffer enmity and is gonna have its head crushed at some point in the future.
This is like someone who takes four translations of the Bible where it says "the sky is blue". Four translations each give a different shade of blue. Does it matter? Maybe to the skeptic, who wishes to prove the Bible as bunk. Ah! says the skeptic we have contradictions and inconsistences. But objectively, the reader who is simply reading for truth understands the Bible is saying the sky is blue. Has to do with style of translation more than anything else. The picked shade of Blue is not as important as saying the sky is Blue.
No really messy, unless you want it to be so. Mole hill-mountain sort of thing.
There no end to the messiness found in Biblical translations. Take for example Genesis 3:15 which Christians love to tout as the first promise God made to send Jesus to save mankind. But does it really refer to Jesus, or is it just some vague obscure mumbo-jumbo that nobody but a Hebrew scribe could dream up?
Here are three translations:
A fourth translation which I found quoted but cannot get a reference to reads:
So we have three and possibly four different pronouns for who the offspring of the woman is. Any experts in Hebrew in here? What Hebrew word is used for the bolded pronoun referring to the woman's offspring? Is it properly translated as "he", "she", "it" or "they"?
There seems to be some implication that Jesus is actually nowhere to be found in Genesis 3:15. That will only be true on the day that fact begins to carry more weight of evidence then faith. And on that day they will have to pull my Bible from my cold, dead hands! Or where ever it was that I left it.
I don't think this at all proves what you want it to.
A change in pronoun isn't really that important to changing the meaning. In relation to this passage predicting the Messiah, I'd call that out as being moronic. To say this is a Jesus prediction is probably the most prolific definition of 'grasping for straws.' It's utter nonsense.
But as far as arguing mistranslations or inaccuracies in the Bible, this really does nothing to further your point.
A fourth translation which I found quoted but cannot get a reference to reads:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.' {S}
As an educated person I see no differences in what is being said in your examples. The serpent is going to suffer enmity and is gonna have its head crushed at some point in the future.
This is like someone who takes four translations of the Bible where it says "the sky is blue". Four translations each give a different shade of blue. Does it matter? Maybe to the skeptic, who wishes to prove the Bible as bunk. Ah! says the skeptic we have contradictions and inconsistences. But objectively, the reader who is simply reading for truth understands the Bible is saying the sky is blue. Has to do with style of translation more than anything else. The picked shade of Blue is not as important as saying the sky is Blue.
No really messy, unless you want it to be so. Mole hill-mountain sort of thing.
Blue???...That is the most idiotic statement that I have seen...The pronoun is speaking of more than one person, in both instances...That makes a world of difference if you are trying to say that this is about Jesus...
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.' {S}
As Daffy Duck once said: "Hmmm ... pronoun trouble!!"
There were no pronouns in the Hebrew. In fact, there were no helpful grammatic elements at all. There were just 9 Hebrew characters (words) that if we simply put their typical translations together in the same order they appeared it would simply read:
Put enmity woman seed seed bruise head bruise heel
You get to decide how to make that an English sentence including pronouns.
There were no pronouns in the Hebrew. In fact, there were no helpful grammatic elements at all. There were just 9 Hebrew characters (words) that if we simply put their typical translations together in the same order they appeared it would simply read:
Put enmity woman seed seed bruise head bruise heel
You get to decide how to make that an English sentence including pronouns.
Ya got that wrong...
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