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Old 07-22-2015, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Traditionally, the soul is considered to be non-material. And yet, my soul is affected by gravity, as if it had mass. Obviously, my consciousness is still here on earth band not floating out in space (even if my detractors may occasionally beg to differ).

What's going on here? Why hasn't my massless soul already floated off into outer space, unaffected by gravity?
A bigger question is WTF is gravity exactly and how does it actually keep solar systems, galaxies and universes balanced despite being so weak... our science still hasn't figured that out.

But just for the sake of argument...

Even if we had souls, why is it so hard for non-believers (or believers for that matter) to imagine a better way of doing it than some weird, as of yet undiscovered material-world energy?

Seriously, why not something along the lines of quantum entanglement... everything happening in our brains on the quantum level also repeating on the other end of the universe in another physical medium... when we die our mind shuts down but the "duplicate" mind sticks around.

What about taking that a step higher and imagining our consciousness rolling out across multiple dimensions or even being "recorded" by god in a higher dimension of existence.

What if advanced aliens are "recording" the quantum state of all the atoms on the planet, galaxy or universe for that matter... whenever they want they could just "rewind", reassemble you at any point in your life and poof... you're alive after death!

Unlikely? Probably.

Scientifically impossible? Not at all.

You don't need a soul "direct feed" like an actual physical energy living in the body or a "radio signal" from elsewhere for consciousness to theoretically exist past death... you just need a broader perspective on the possibilities.

So that's why, freak80... either we don't have souls or we're just not thinking big enough. What is inarguable is that there is STILL room for the question of whether we have something approximating a soul or not.
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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we're just not thinking big enough...
that is correct.
the opening post thinking is too small and limited

my observation is that the thread topic is more interested in deriding and ridiculing, than increasing understanding of the soul
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:24 AM
 
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Traditionally, the soul is considered to be non-material. And yet, my soul is affected by gravity, as if it had mass. Obviously, my consciousness is still here on earth band not floating out in space (even if my detractors may occasionally beg to differ).

What's going on here? Why hasn't my massless soul already floated off into outer space, unaffected by gravity?
No, there is an old belief that the soul is attached to the body during its physical life by a silver cord. This is commonly referred to in spirituality topics, including out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences. It may have originally come from beliefs found in Native American and Far Eastern mysticism. It's seems to be also found in Judeo-Christian religion.
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Old 07-22-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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No, there is an old belief that the soul is attached to the body during its physical life by a silver cord. This is commonly referred to in spirituality topics, including out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences. It may have originally come from beliefs found in Native American and Far Eastern mysticism. It's seems to be also found in Judeo-Christian religion.
An old belief is not necessarily a correct belief. In fact, it usually isn't (with the possible exception of old wisdom directly applicable to daily life ).

For example, for thousands of years it was believed earth was at the center of the universe and everything rotated around us.

Turns out that isn't the case. Don't get too attached to your silver cord... better think of it as being more allegorical in nature.
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Old 07-22-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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An old belief is not necessarily a correct belief. In fact, it usually isn't (with the possible exception of old wisdom directly applicable to daily life ).

For example, for thousands of years it was believed earth was at the center of the universe and everything rotated around us.

Turns out that isn't the case. Don't get too attached to your silver cord... better think of it as being more allegorical in nature.
i don't get how people think "older" means truer. My mums old, she aint no truer than my niece.
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Old 07-22-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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The soul seems to behave much like a volume of gas originating from the body.
the soul is like the blue flame ...
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You get your immortal soul at death? At a timeline that is debatable you then get your immortal heavenly body similar to Jesus's resurrected heavenly body He purposely modeled for 40 days. Why 40 days ? It takes people a long time to "get it" it was the first time anyone use "duh" albeit indirectly. I heard Jesus say Oy Vey!
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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So it could be caught as it's leaving the body if the corpse was surrounded by a tent or a box or something?
As it leaves the body it would pass through any attempt at containment.
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:02 PM
 
Location: USA
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As it leaves the body it would pass through any attempt at containment.
Why? If the soul can be contained by a human body, then why not an airtight plastic bag?
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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The soul seems to behave much like a volume of gas originating from the body.
Old farts such as I apparently have our soul continuously leaking out, then.
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