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Old 10-11-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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I'm curious if we accept the genetic evidence that the San people of Africa are the oldest group of modern humans, then it would seem to follow that there religious beliefs would likewise be the oldest forms of religious beliefs and practices. That being the case all of the major existing religions are very recent . Almost yesterday when viewed in the time-line of human existence. That being the case, it would seem to me to be yet another problem confronting authority the Abrahamic religions and their narratives because there is no relationship between the religious beliefs of the San people and modern theist.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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I'm curious if we accept the genetic evidence that the San people of Africa are the oldest group of modern humans, then it would seem to follow that there religious beliefs would likewise be the oldest forms of religious beliefs and practices. That being the case all of the major existing religions are very recent . Almost yesterday when viewed in the time-line of human existence. That being the case, it would seem to me to be yet another problem confronting authority the Abrahamic religions and their narratives because there is no relationship between the religious beliefs of the San people and modern theist.
So what were the religious beliefs of the San people? Were they monotheistic? Did they worship the one God who created the Universe? Or???

Without that information, this thread is simply an excercise in speculation.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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I'm curious if we accept the genetic evidence that the San people of Africa are the oldest group of modern humans, then it would seem to follow that there religious beliefs would likewise be the oldest forms of religious beliefs and practices. That being the case all of the major existing religions are very recent . Almost yesterday when viewed in the time-line of human existence. That being the case, it would seem to me to be yet another problem confronting authority the Abrahamic religions and their narratives because there is no relationship between the religious beliefs of the San people and modern theist.
It essentially doesn't matter what it is. All religions, customs, and practices are institutions: they're created by humans. Just because these San people made some too, doesn't mean they're different.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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So what were the religious beliefs of the San people? Were they monotheistic? Did they worship the one God who created the Universe? Or???
I'm sorry, I left that for others to explore on their own...

San religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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It essentially doesn't matter what it is. All religions, customs, and practices are institutions: they're created by humans. Just because these San people made some too, doesn't mean they're different.
I does matter if we are to give credence to the Abrahamic narratives since that narrative requires that god was remiss in revealing himself to modern humans by tens of thousands of years.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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I does matter if we are to give credence to the Abrahamic narratives since that narrative requires that god was remiss in revealing himself to modern humans by tens of thousands of years.
There is another view of the Sans, which if true eliminates them as being the originator of religion. Or at least indicates they have had much contact with other people and probably no longer have the beliefs of the original cave dwellers that became the San

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The San are the oldest inhabitants of Southern Africa, where they have lived for at least 20 000 years. The term San is commonly used to refer to a diverse group of hunter-gatherers living in Southern Africa who share historical and linguistic connections. The San were also referred to as Bushmen, but this term has since been abandoned as it is considered derogatory.
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There are Native Americans with beliefs that date back over 20,000 years.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:56 AM
 
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I don't think that the antiqueness of an idea makes it more valid than a more recent idea.
Aristotle thought horses could get pregnant from the wind - now, what does this say for the more modern ideas of sexual intercourse resulting in pregnancy? I guess precedence should be given to Aristotle.

As a tidbit - he also had some extremely silly ideas on the color of semen being directly related to skin color lol! Or was that Herodotus.... damn it, I can't remember..
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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I does matter if we are to give credence to the Abrahamic narratives since that narrative requires that god was remiss in revealing himself to modern humans by tens of thousands of years.
"if we are to give credence to the Abrahamic narratives.."

This is where we agree to disagree. Giving credence to any "Abrahamic narrative" is asinine.
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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I'm curious if we accept the genetic evidence that the San people of Africa are the oldest group of modern humans, then it would seem to follow that there religious beliefs would likewise be the oldest forms of religious beliefs and practices. That being the case all of the major existing religions are very recent . Almost yesterday when viewed in the time-line of human existence. That being the case, it would seem to me to be yet another problem confronting authority the Abrahamic religions and their narratives because there is no relationship between the religious beliefs of the San people and modern theist.

While it may be true that the San people are the oldest of modern peoples, what evidence is there that their religion has not been influenced by other, later groups, particularly groups that no longer exist?
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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There is another view of the Sans, which if true eliminates them as being the originator of religion.
I wouldn't argue against some proto-modern human "inventing" religion prior to the San so their meeting and greeting other peoples over the tens of thousands of years is rather irrelevant, the point is that as the oldest existing humans, their narrative has nothing in common with the Abrahamic religions which begs the question of the Abrahamic gods mega millennial tardiness in revealing himself to man.
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