Redrawing Oregon Border (Portland, Bend, Milwaukie: live in, zoning, legal)

[pnwguy2]

These arguments are really quite ridiculous. Oregon won’t ever give up the agriculture part of the State. Come on, think sensibly here.

[StealthRabbit]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

These arguments are really quite ridiculous. Oregon won’t ever give up the agriculture part of the State. Come on, think sensibly here.

sensibly?? Of course it will never happen (As has been noted several times here)

But... that does not solve the problem of 'east-side' or AG interests or employers (job creators) being continually hindered by the majority vote, who can't vote 'sensibly' / informed, because they have no clue, and they have no knowledge or data of what it takes to invest at-risk capital, get newly required bonds, hire employees, file monthly state returns and UI and taxes, meet continually changing regulations voted on by an unsensible electorate (who happens to be the majority), dealing with continually increasing production, transportation, filiing, regulation, taxation, permitting that is focused and implemented due to high population density and grow and nanny rules that are NOT in the physical region of these businesses.

There is a lot that is disjointed. About 32 of 36 counties. (36 of 39 in WA)

[509]

Do you read the Oregonian or the Seattle Times??

The editorial page writers, the columnists, and even the editorial cartoon guy at the Seattle Times despises eastern Washington. It is not that different at the Oregonian, though they do have higher editorial standards than the Seattle Times.

Read the comment section in both newspapers. It will open your eyes.

My point is folks in western Washington and Oregon hate the east side of both states. Now when an opportunity presents itself to get rid of "those folks", they suddenly decide it is a bad idea.

[Jimrob1]

Personally I think the USA as a whole could use with a good redrawing of its borders. Some of the states can redraw their borders and leave the country for all I care. Be it the Northwest or elsewhere in the USA. The divides in this country are so strong, we have no right to call ourselves United anymore. It's similar to being in a bad marriage just hanging in there for whatever reason, even though breaking apart is really the right thing to do.

As far as Oregon redrawing its borders hasn't that been building for years? Western and Eastern Oregon are so different its no wonder a separation is wanted. Though its primarily the Eastern end of the state that wants the divorce. My view is if the majority of voters that live in these regions want to separate then so be it. Although as other posters have stated it will never happen because Oregon is not going to give up part of the state.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by 509

Do you read the Oregonian or the Seattle Times??

The editorial page writers, the columnists, and even the editorial cartoon guy at the Seattle Times despises eastern Washington. It is not that different at the Oregonian, though they do have higher editorial standards than the Seattle Times.

Read the comment section in both newspapers. It will open your eyes.

My point is folks in western Washington and Oregon hate the east side of both states. Now when an opportunity presents itself to get rid of "those folks", they suddenly decide it is a bad idea.

Can you point to an example of a specific Seattle Times or Oregonian article that offends you?

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

sensibly?? Of course it will never happen (As has been noted several times here)

But... that does not solve the problem of 'east-side' or AG interests or employers (job creators) being continually hindered by the majority vote, who can't vote 'sensibly' / informed, because they have no clue, and they have no knowledge or data of what it takes to invest at-risk capital, get newly required bonds, hire employees, file monthly state returns and UI and taxes, meet continually changing regulations voted on by an unsensible electorate (who happens to be the majority), dealing with continually increasing production, transportation, filiing, regulation, taxation, permitting that is focused and implemented due to high population density and grow and nanny rules that are NOT in the physical region of these businesses.

There is a lot that is disjointed. About 32 of 36 counties. (36 of 39 in WA)

It is funny then how virtually all of the job creation in the past 20 years has happened in the blue parts of the state.

[StealthRabbit]

not at all tough to understand, but you can't eat software for bodily sustenance. And it is super easy to fund a cyber company with leased assets. As well and a piece of cake to skirt or pay for simple regulations for employees not performing phyiscally risky task. On the other hand... a solo farm operation that has 80% of it's financial capital tied up in physical assets, the legislation, taxation L&I is a whole nuther animal and burden to those types of businesses (which largely propigate the east side. It's a very different business make-up and capital dispersment. Right or wrong, those business interests cannot coexist with similar regulations and guidance. But of course we know who votes... it's the "I've got mine, xx you" majority population. So, very little informed decisions or representation for those with large % of their capital at risk. It's nearly impossible for them to continue in business, and their livelihood is not transportable, as is an office full of leased computers and a staff of independent contractors. They can be gone and ont another employer by noon tomorrow and not miss a lick. All of life does not happen that way for capital and land intensive business operations that take many decades to get stabilized. It's starkly different and deserves very different legislation and business guidance and opportunities. West side will be plenty happy causing all the east side to relocate. More biking trails. ("I've got mine, xx you"). Been their mantra for 50 yrs, significantly amplified by the 'entitlement generation'. ("I've got mine, and WANT yours... xx you"). It rings in our ears every day. It's in our face.

[redguard57]

I lived in eastern Oregon for a bit. There are no jobs out there, NONE! And the people out there did not want to change anything to bring them. Their agriculture is heavily subsidized and unsustainable.

[rkcarguy]

I think BOTH sides would benefit from this "divorce". I truly believe that the blue/west side policies impoverish the red/east side(there is a reason the east hasn't seen the job growth Texasdiver). They would now be in another state, and those areas would flourish and no longer need the handouts the westies gripe about so much. I don't get why this is bad? I'm a live-and-let-live type of guy, so let's split it up and the blue areas can ******* it up and the red areas can redneck it up. We can vote for what we want and what we don't for our own areas. We only have ourselves to blame if the western sides become (more) homeless infested, riot and crime prone, and highly taxed, or if the East sides residents all turn into toothless overweight gun carrying rednecks in rusty pickup trucks living in single wide mobile homes.
I'm tired of having my rights and finances violated and decided for me by the blue majority/area minority. It used to be that when things swung from D to R leadership it was give-take with about the same overall result. Give a benefit here add some taxes there...ok we're arguing over +10 round mags again...but it wasn't so bad. Now, my QOL, rights, and finances are severely affected by the policies passed by the liberal majority of WA in only 6 of the counties, or simply rammed down our throats by Inslee or the legislature without a vote at all.
Last year, it almost cost me my life!

Edit, yes I'm posting re: Oregon, but the same issues apply in both OR and WA and I have family in both states.

[pnwguy2]

I think the missing points here are: western WA and western OR depend on their east sides as I posted earlier. I don’t think I have to go into specifics because it should be obvious. A political divide is not as important as a State that provides for all with farming, agriculture, etc. keep in mind most of your food, energy, water and wine, come from the eastern side. Don’t like it? See how life would be without it. Sorry have to go…Grand Coulee Dam is calling.